integration, why is this such a problem with muslims?

Question

when prince Charles went 2 pakistan with his wife Camila wearing trousers, long dress and scarf why r we so stubborn about removing the veil? just because a few scholars say so? we have loyalty towards our religion and we also have loyalty towards our country england that we call it our home. A handful of sisters maybe willing wearing it but most of them are wearing it because their fathers, husbands and brothers tell them to wear it. it is not as compulsory as salaah (5 times prayers) read this for yourselves, 33:59 O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. taken from http://www.quranonline.net/cgi-bin/qexplorer.jsp?action=nextpage&vid=3592

Answer 1

Everybody is talking about hijab and niqab wearers rights and they are saying that we all should support sisters who want to wear it. No one is considering the sisters who don’t want to wear it, and the sisters who are being forced to wear hijab and niqab just to please the ones who are wearing hijab and niqab otherwise they will lose their friendship.
Also so many male callers are openly making comments to criticise sisters who don’t want to wear hijab and niqab saying that they are committing a sin.
Men are deluding women of respect by saying “Women are precious like diamonds, so they should remain in their houses locked in where they can be protected (meaning not seen nor heard).” These men will always criticise the appearance of a woman with or without hijab and niqab.
I want to refer to you about a male caller on the Muslimah Dilemma, he was saying "mothers from other muslim
families take their girls to the mosque after school, their little
girls wear little scarves but the mothers do not wear anything, no
cover, all presenters should not have cameramen but ladies" if this
man's ideas aren’t suppressing and depressing women what would you call it?

These muslim men think they can openly call us women fitnah just for not having our faces and hands covered and sometimes they say eyes shouldn’t been shown either. They say that if a man looks at a woman with a sexual thought the woman will get a sin for that. Why should a woman get a sin if a man looks at a woman with a sexual thought , I think the man will
get a sin for looking. They are just twisting words around and where does it say this in the quran anyway?

Muslims are saying that why are tattoos and body piercing not being disapproved of, tattoos and body piercing are disliked by a widespread of people, time to time they go through a phase like the hippies, skinheads, punks, hells angels, now is the gothics phase they take this as a short phase of fashion. Nobody takes any notice of these silly phases.
If these hijab and niqab issues aren’t solved soon they will be endless disputes between muslims, we need to sort out our own problems first. We don’t want to end up fighting like Iran when shia and sunni kill each other. Why don’t want the nuisance of hijab
wearers fighting non hijab wearers and niqab wearers fighting hijab wearers.

We need to tackle these issues first. Make xmas day a full day for callers and discussions. All the guests on Islam Channel wear hijab sometimes you should invite people who don’t wear hijab and don’t feel it’s necessary to cover their hair as long as they dress modestly. Please do take these whole issues seriously, there are many people like me who discuss these problems but they dare speak out because of fear of their husbands, fathers and brothers.
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Answer 2

You really don't know what you're saying do u.... that verse was referring to the women because the jews of medinah were harassing them. So they covered themselves more than they were covered and weren't given as hard a time then.

Why would I want to do what other people want me to do instead of pleasing Allah? Every sister I know covers herself for the pleasure of Allah, and no one else. To say that those who do are just doing it for family reasons is wrong. Maybe some of the pakistanis do that because they are more into culture than religion, but we're talking muslims here - not pakistanis. I'm not worried about fitting in. I'm more interested in pleasing Allah. If people don't like it then they don't have to look.

In the verse 33:59, the third step of social reform was taken - as a Muslim you know that the Holy Prophet initiated reform in a series of steps so the people could grow into this way of life after leading such lives in jahiliyah.

I encourage you to read the tafsir of the Quran and you would then understand the issue of hijab better. Also take a look at hadiths on the issue and you will see indeed these things were part of the prophet's life.

Answer 3

I don't follow scholars that much, I think they misguide a lot of people,. I read the Quran and obey Allah and seek knowledge to obey his messengers, and believe that Prophet Muhammad's wives covered. so I want to reach that high place in Paradise too,
so I cover. allah owns the whole Universe. Islam is not a religion of complusion, so people join in mutual teachings but each do what they think is best, (well some).

I was the first women in my family to wear hijab and my family is Muslim.

Answer 4

How can you say such a thing??? Any Muslim in the UK knows they are integrated. Blair's rant on TV today was laughable. It was directed towards Muslims not immigrants. There have been Muslim living and integrating in this society for decades. I did not grow up in a Muslim family but when i was a child growing up in Scotland there where Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, catholics and Protestants all sharing a class room, playing together. As neighbors we would be invited to weddings and to share in the joys of a child being born etc. I'm as white as they come, and as a child we had a family friend who was a Sikh he came to be known to my family through my mother. When she was a child in the 1940's he used to go door to door in her area selling clothes. My grandmother would invite him in give him tea and look at his wears, they became friends. As my mother grew and started a family of her own he would just come and visit every sunday without fail and was part of our family. I never remember not knowing him, a small, chubby, Indian Siekh with a walking stick and a trilby hat. He was simply my uncle. Now if immigrants intergrated fine in the 40's 50's 60's 70's 80's and 90's why are they not in 2000 simply they are. They are not the ones who have changed. And by the way he mentioned nothing of all the polish immigrants which everyone knows out number any. In his film clip while talking the only people they showed where women in hijabs. Is this the only immigrants in this country? I grew up in a muslicultural society and am proud of it. Muslims are not the problem, it was clearly eveident it was directed towards muslims not immigrants which was what his speach was supposed to be about. Never did anyone take offence to women wearing Hijabs before that stupid politician brought it up and gave bigoted and predjiduce people something to whing about. I wear a head scarf because its my CHOICE, last time i checked i lived in a democratic society. I have only been a mulsim for 2 years but i support my sisters as it being there choice, no one has the right to take that away. When Hoodies are forced to put there hoods down and take the burbury scarfs from around there face and when they intergrate into society and not just hang around street corners harasing people then and only then may the have the right to ask, until then there point is totally redundant. In what why are muslims not intergrating i would like someone to clarify? They own businesses, pay taxes are law abiding, there children go to school, they interact with there neighbours, have jobs in the comunity, take an interest in local policies, give in charity. What else do they have to do to be considered intergrated. And another point there are plenty of second and third generations of muslims born and raised here and are not immigrants at all.
Allahu Akabar....

When Brits immigrate to spain do they learn to speak spanish, do they eat local food, do they live in spanish communities or do they take over an area full of other Brits, build pubs, try to make it look like england, eat all the things from home they are used too, only interact with other Brits.
Is this what we should use as an example of intergration??

Answer 5

If you consider yourself a muslim, you need to wake up. People like you think your integrating by posting on this site. You have no knowledge. There's such a rubbish term in this country called 'human rights' which dies when it comes to the veil. People walk around in all sorts of strange appearances not to offend anyone, I wont mention them here. We all accept this, the veil does not go flying off someone's face and stab a person, it is a piece of cloth. When a woman walks in a western revealing clothes in pakistan or middle east, she will be accepted even though she is offending public, and dont ask me how I know. I've travelled, worked abroad. I respect the diverse cultures and faith's in this world. I've had meetings with bishops, and all practiscing adults have learnt how to respect other peoples cultures and religions. You dont find a turban offensive, but a veil...hmmm, it might eat you...

Answer 6

What do you mean MOST women wear it because they are forced by their husbands, fathers etc...? Not MOST, there are some, which should not be done, but most women wear it because of their personal choice. The veil, as you may call it, is obligatory, unless you are talking about the one that covers the face ( the niqab).

"And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar) and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to GOD, O you believers, that you may succeed." 24:31 Khalifa's translation

Answer 7

I am a Muslim guy, I respect Sister who cover out of modesty, but if you live in Western Society ( I was born and America and live in Canada), and you are a Muslim girl, you should be modest as it is for your own benefit. Hijab is like a seatbelt is for your own protection. You do know if you dress revealingly and arouse a sexual thought in a man it is a sin on you.

I don't think that the veil, (face covering) is necessary but if the women to choose to wear it let them.

Answer 8

first of all.its not a few Islamic scholars who say the veil(excluding face veil) is obligatory.most Islamic scholars will say that at least the headscarf is a must.its only a few who will say the hijab is not obligatory
so if you want to burn in hell that's fine and your decision.but don't criticize women who do choose to wear hijab and call them stubborn.

and may i point out to that in Muslim countries when non-Muslim women come they don't wear any headscarf.many of them will wear reveling clothing which offends the local Muslims.but no one stops them from wearing what they want.so if i want cover myself with with nothing showing then that;s my right.have you not heard of freedom of religion?

Answer 9

I am not a muslum woman, but I've met some women who want to wear it, and If they choose to wear the veil, than so be it.

And I've met others who cover there whole bodies with their garments and just leave there faces showing and not there hair.

Blessings.

Answer 10

u offend me, why is it that most women want to discourage covering of other women but encourage then to show off their body and uncover? Why is it that most people feel a covered woman is crazy and should not be covered then you see another girl walking down the street with a mini skirt and people can see her underware and no one has a problem with her or says anything that she should not be like that or the girls that wear cloths so tights they rip in the sides? why is it so wrong to be who we are? I think because western women or disbelievers of Islam think covered women offend them by making them selves feel they are very uncovered compared to them so they feel bad about them selves and want to tell us to uncover so they will feel better about themselves.i speak for all muslim sisters of the world when i say we dress for God and leave us alone about it!