Meneses killing?

Question

How come the police officers involved in the shooting of Meneses are being taken to court over this matter. The facts speak for themselves.
1. When challenged by armed police, he ran away because "He didnt speak good english". Surely armed men shouting "Armed police, stand still" has a pretty universal meaning, and even if the words were not understood, common sense dictates that when clallenged by armed men, you stand still.
2. It was the midlle of summer, and he was wearing a thick padded jacket.
3. He ran into a train station and vaulted a ticket barrier. Firstly, running away from armed police, scared or not, running away from the law is just not smart. Secondly he ran into a tube station. a crowded, enclosed space with a lot of people. The police were under the impression a man, possibly carrying a bomb just ran away from the police and into a crowded place. They then acted on training and shot him. So why, with these facts, are they criminals??

Answer 1

Who cares if he was wearing a padded jacket or vaulted the barrier. What people neglect to include is that he exited the house known to have terrorist links with the bombers (it seems he was doing some plumbing work there). The police saw a swarthy looking man, (similar in description to the ethnicity of the bombers) leaving a terrorism linked address, they ordered him to stop,(giving him opportunity to explain his reasons for being at the address) and he ignored that order and headed towards a crowded train platform.

These police did the only thing they could and that was to stop theman from reaching a crowded platform.

I am glad to know that there are police out there with the balls to act this way, and have the courage and conviction to issue an order and when that order is not carried out to make a split second decision which involves the safety of the people they are there to protect, and not pussyfoot around asking the man politely to stop and then having to fill out paperwork to justify why they asked him to stop.

Let the police do their job, the bombers had no thought for the public when they blew up the bus and tubes. People should be focusing on that rather that finding fault with the people who are trying to keep London safe!

I'm sure if you ignored a Brazillian police officer and ran for a train you'd end up dead. This man made a decision to avoid deportation and it cost him his life. Sad, but he only has himself to blame.

Answer 2

the police made a mistake that day and killed an innocent man why due to fear caused by a bombing of the city on July 7Th.

Meneses also made a mistake that day when he ran, yes he too was scared, but the police where there to do a job and they did that job they took down a man they saw as a threat to the lives of the general public.
But
the mans family need answers and want someone to pay for the death of a loved one can you blame them, I can't
but
The officers involved have got to live with the fact that an innocent man died at their hands but by no means are they criminals they where doing the job they are trained and payed to do. If he'd did have a bomb in his possession would they be facing they same charges they are now NO of course not they'd have had a slap on the back and a well done.

I guess if they could turn back time things would be done differently but then again the out come might be exactly the same Meneses was meant to die on that day whether he was shot or run over by a bus, I believe that the day we leave this life is written on the day we are born and no matter what you do you will leave this life on said date,

Answer 3

Everything you just said is bollox made up by the police to justify shooting an innocent man (who incidentally was Brazilian, they prob just thought he looked a bit foreign). It has since emerged that he did not vault a turnstile as was first expected, and even if he was wearing a thick jacket so what, the guys from Brazil a British Summer time must be comparitively cold. Like you say if someone pointed a gun at you and said police would you vault a barrier, especially in these 'terrorist times'. It all doesn't add up. I do not blame the individual officers, but the intelligence received by them must have been appalling. No surprise no further action was taken against the police. Rob roy explains it better than I do. But I think we come to the same conclusion i.e large errors of judgement were made on the part of the met and it all sort of quietly disappeared.

Answer 4

What you have assumed as fact was 'spin' that was put on the incident by the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police until he had to retract it a couple of days later. If you read newspaper accounts of the 17th August 2005 you will see that the leaked report of the IPCC contradicts your account(the newspaper accounts are available on Yahoo Search) totally. Of course the police were under pressure to find the bombers associates but that was no excuse. The police in recent years have become experts at 'spin' and mendacity whenever there is an incident where their behavior was less than perfect.
I doubt the truth will ever come out as the police account of the incident is supported by this government.
I wonder if 'The Bulb' could be a police officer because her/his answer is completly at odds with the IPCC report on the incident and in fact the Commissioner had to contradict himself after having pushed out a similar story which was proven to be erroneous. Far from the police preventing de Menezes reaching the platform he was actually killed on the train. The highly trained police officers had already allowed him to travel on the bus to the station. An admission of an error on the part of the police would probably have quietened the whole thing down by now but an admission of error is not the way of the police service.

Answer 5

How sure were they he was a bomber? Running from the police these days may be the only chance you have if you want to live however slim that chance may be. The fact that he ran into a crowded place and did not detonate a bomb would lead me to believe he had a change of heart or he didn't have one to begin with. Shooting at him would only increase the likely hood he would detonate the bomb if he had it at all. Better to let ten guilty men go free rather than kill one innocent person. We should not shoot people for what they could do or might do. This man died because he ran from police not for caring a bomb. I'd say the punishment was a little stiff but we should all do what the police tell us to do, just like every Jew at Auschwitz did.

Answer 6

i would check the facts .firstly he wasn't wearing a thick padded jacket .
secondly he did not jump the barriers .thirdly he was shot atleast nine times in the head with police officers kneeling on him .
if this doesnt deserve an investigation then i dont know what does .
did every body believe that saddam had weopans of mass destruction ,and did that turn out to be true ,even though that was reported in the press >>

cover up to hide the fact that the alleged bombers were not the real culprits ..

google 7/7 and find out for yourself ,,,,,dont believe every thing you hear ?????????????????????

Answer 7

[1] Not true; he only ran to catch a train.
[2] Not true; he was wearing a denim jacket.
[3] Not true; the video footage shows him walking through the ticket barrier. The police didn't challenge him until he was on the subway train.

The police officers and their superiors spread disinformation to try to justify the killing; unfortunately the trashy end of the press in the UK believed them. The police acted very poorly and deserve to be in court.

Answer 8

Because we live in a nanny state where criminals and in the case of DeMenzes, illegal immigrants have more rights than UK citizens, police officer and law abiding tax paying memebrs of the public and the Labour Government are scared of being seen to suppert the police and security services

Answer 9

personaly i think its discusting how the police got away with it!not surprising but discusting!
what would you do if you didnt understand english and a gang of guys started to chase you with guns?????????hhhmmm me thinks you would kind of run!
And how come the officers who opened fire pumped eight(yes eight)rounds into de menezes?????one would of easily killed him,after all they where trained marksmen! Typical american gun hoe stuff.They where wrong,the thing is though,if the general public are wrong they are either fined or locked up!one rule for the law and another for the police.Says it all about this wrecked country of ours! well done new labour

Answer 10

Well get it right!
Firstly, he wasn't wearing a padded jacket. He did not jump the barrier.
I can go with a shot to the head under circumstances, but SEVEN? The word overkill springs to mind.