I am also interested in your about this verse....." I was found by those who did not seek Me". Naturally when we were born, we don't have a complete idea who God really is and when we come to know Him because He shows Himself to those He called or what we may term "God's elects".....how will you explain the years when we were far from knowing Him at all....when we were like the others as children of wrath.....like the Bible says we had been. ..? If we had been His enemy or in enmity with Him....how is it that there are those He chose and called for?
2006-12-06 19:40:19 · 9 answers · asked by Philadelphia 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Actually you may have the best knowledge of God when you are born but cannot communicate the fact? If God breathed into Adam a life, then that life came from a spirit realm and exsisted before Adam had life. Eternal life is God, this life in man is eternal. When God breathed into mankind he became a Living Soul. This was a marriage of body and spirit, by choice Adam disobeyed God, then mankind toke a fallen nature. Many children were born that were not eternal as a result of this fall. You can tell who they are by their confessions, or the things they do in life. The ones that were suppose to be eternal are the ones that are predestinated, all of the rest are called bastards in the Bible words; Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Not only are they not meant to be but God hates them also as Esau. And the Bible says it would have been better if Judas Iscariot had not been born; Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. Religious people cannot stand this, that God may have ordained people to bad but these are not my words but God's for the Bible does say he created evil ; Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
2006-12-06 20:12:20 · answer #1 · answered by sirromo4u 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It is the seed that is chosen.
Can you not see this even in the life of St. Paul. A man breathing murder against God, yet a chosen vessel; unknown to himself or to those who had the Holy Spirit. God knows what is there, even if we and the world do not.
Finally, no man seeks God as all have gone astray. St. Paul was not seeking when He was found. Found is not the opposite of lost in this verse. Isaiah 65:1 and Romans 10:20 is not about individual experience but about God showing mercy through Jesus Christ to the Gentiles. It shows election in an historic context.
I would rather consider the prodigal son in the pig pens. Even in the pig pens, a child of wrath, he was still royal seed. There was never a time when this young man was not elect. He had, in his situation, lost the knowledge of who he was.
Finally, note in Galatians 4: 1-6, the Spirit was sent forth.....".....because you are sons...".... Many Christians think the Spirit makes them sons? The Word says you were a son already.
God brings us forth in due season according to His eternal purpose.
2006-12-06 21:10:39 · answer #2 · answered by Tommy 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
We are not to be the judges of who is saved and who is not, including those below the age of reason. However, this is what I believe is the significance of infant baptism, which is a sacrament illustrating a covenant between God and his people. Even infants carry original sin and need a savior. Baptized kids are set apart from the rest of the world, marked as God's property.
Not sure exactly where your verse comes from, but it certainly illustrates to me that our "free will" is only the will to reject God. The world does not seek him, it does not want to be saved. Predestination is found throughout the Bible, and we need to believe what God's Word says without twisting words around to glorify man instead. God loved His own before they were even born. Pretty cool, I think.
2006-12-07 13:07:08 · answer #3 · answered by ccrider 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The reason God has Predestinated us to salvation is because from the beginning God being omniscient already knew who would choose to be saved. Therefore he was able to predestine us. Its not hard to figure out.
I Cr 13;8a
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2006-12-06 20:28:14 · answer #4 · answered by ? 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Here is my best illustration of Predestination:
There is a gate that on this side says "Whosoever Will May Come" to the non-Christian.
When you become a Christian and ask Christ to come into your heart as Saviour, you look back at the gate and the reading on this side says "The Elect of God"
Same Gate
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2006-12-06 19:43:47 · answer #5 · answered by tomkat1528 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Before you were born and even live one day of your life God can see from the beginning to the end of your life how you would live your life and what you would do with your free will regarding Himself. So God knows without His slightest interference in anyone's life who will choose to know Him and he will draw those who have the desire in their heart to know Him. This is predestination.
2006-12-06 20:11:36 · answer #6 · answered by seekfind 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You mean that God chose personally the children that become victims of pedophile priests so that they can see Him ?
That could explain why those priests are under the protection of their bishops and of the church.
2006-12-06 19:48:33 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yes, because I know I've been called.
I don't understand the concept, but I understand the experience.
2006-12-06 20:00:35 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
What exactly are you asking, and what does all this have to do with predestination?
2006-12-06 19:46:09 · answer #9 · answered by Bhagwad 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋