For those who believe in Creation?

Question

Can you explain to me why you think creation is an alternative or even superior theory to evolution by answering the following questions:

Why does the Bible contradict itself?

Why are all creationist arguments based on the Bible, an outdated set of theological documents?

What part of the Bible says you cannot accept both evolution and God?

What would you say to counter all the scientific errors found in the theory of creation?

What would you say to the scientific impossibilities of the Flood story?

If carbon-dating is inaccurate as you say, why do you believe your method is more accurate?

Since all of your claims have been debunked by evolutionary scientists or have nothing to do with the subject, why do you continue to put forth said claims?

Why do you say evolution is a religion when it is actually a scientific theory, like gravity?

IF you want creation taught in schools, what about all the children who do not believe in God?

WHEN I SAY CREATION, I REFER TO YOUNG-EARTH CREATIONISM.

And Elwood, it is actually one question with nine parts.

ron, I am afraid you contradicted yourself just then.

1. It doesn't [contradict itself] - I beg to differ, it does in fact contradict itself. It is also filled with several inaccuracies.

2. They aren't [based on the Bible]

And yet after this you say:

3. God created the heavens in the Earth [A famous passage from the Biblical book of Genesis]

So, you have proved that you are a true young-earth creationist by contradicting yourself.

"Most of what you say is wrong. There are no scientific errors in the Bible." Oh, yes there are, unless bats are birds, rabbits chew cud, the earth is flat, the sun can stop, grasshoppers have four legs, and all races can come from two white people without being inbred. "There are many holes in evolution." - I disagree, but even if that were true there are enough holes in creation to make evolution look spotless. "They claim there is a common ancestor of cats and dogs, but they have no fossil for it; it's just a guess." Miacis was a common ancestor between the Felids and the Canids.Evolutionary scientists have not debunked anything; in fact the disagree on whether "Lucy" was an ancestor of humans or chimpanzees. Yes, there are some who have decided she was an ancestor of chimps. Also evolution cannot explain the origin of life; all of their guesses are highly illogical. Believing in a Creator is the only thing that makes sense.
The fact of the flood is well documented.

"Most of what you say is wrong. There are no scientific errors in the Bible." Oh, yes there are, unless bats are birds, rabbits chew cud, the earth is flat, the sun can stop, grasshoppers have four legs, and all races can come from two white people without being inbred. "There are many holes in evolution." - I disagree, but even if that were true there are enough holes in creation to make evolution look spotless. "They claim there is a common ancestor of cats and dogs, but they have no fossil for it; it's just a guess." Miacis was a common ancestor between the Felids and the Canids.

"Evolutionary scientists have not debunked anything; in fact the disagree on whether "Lucy" was an ancestor of humans or chimpanzees.Yes, there are some who have decided she was an ancestor of chimps." Really? You're making this up, this has been a falsified argument used by creationists since this "controversy" started. " Also evolution cannot explain the origin of life; all of their guesses are highly illogical." Well, actually it can, but I'm starting to see that you wouldn't understand if I told you. "Believing in a Creator is the only thing that makes sense." As I said above, There is no contradiction between the existence of God and the theory of evolution. This is a red herring argument.
"The fact of the flood is well documented." Really? Show that to me, and I might give some credence to your theory. Otherwise, you are making this up.

Sorry, but you have to do better than that.

And I apologize for the double comments.

"Well, that's alot to answer. I'll answer the last question first. I think that there should at least be a choice in schools about whether or not someone wants to learn about one or the other or both." Yeah, but science and christianity are not very good choices. If you teach creation, you have to teach every other religion's creation story as an alternative as well.

"Where do you say the contradictions occur in the Bible?" The first book of genesis has two contradicting accounts of creation, for one. There about a billion others that have nothing to do with the subject, but at least you get the point.
"What do you say about the idea that this planet, the solar system and everything in it came out of nowhere?" I never said it had to come out of nowhere, I said that there is no reason to choose one (God) over the other (science). You can accept them both.
"It is the beginning of the Bible that says men and women were thinking, speaking beings not monkeys or apes or anything else." You are using the bible for your arguments again....
Who's says the Bible is outdated?
Why does everything have to scientifically proven? What about mysteries? The Bible aside, there are many things that cannot be proven or tested infallibly. Imagination is a wonderful thing to have and it brings joy to my life.
Have you ever read the Bible?

"Who's says the Bible is outdated?" Common sense! It's over 2,900 years old, for God's sake!
"Why does everything have to scientifically proven?" Oh, sure Let's just sit in the dark and not know anything. Wonderful idea. If we didn't test our environment and learn about our world (which science does) we'd be lost! "Have you ever read the Bible?" Yes, I have, and it makes no sense when it comes to Genesis.

You are going to have to try harder.

smelli-fungus, you have completely ignored what I have just said.

butterfly? Congratulations, you have just stated the most common urban myths used by creation in one sentence. Darwin did not accept Christ on his death bed.... Do I need to continue? I have not seen one creationist post that has an intelligent and well-thought out answer.

Happy-Pilgrim, thanks for your blessings but I have already accepted Jesus Christ, but I am sorry to say that you used the bible for your arguments.

God Bless and may God give you some brains....

I have noticed that all of the creationist posters dodge my questions or answer them falsely. Sigh. I see that American people are too stupid to use their minds or even to READ WHAT I WROTE.

Eric, you are forgiven.

However, you did not listen to what I said. I said I believe in God, and that there is no contest between God and evolution. However, you have demonstrated your intelligence by repeating what EVERYBODY ELSE SAID instead of coming up with your own answers. You really are a creationist.

Answer 1

If they accept evolution, it just one more reason why a god is not required. Knowledge does that.

They've had to accept that diseases, floods, earthquakes, etc., are not acts of god, but natural phenomena. That hurts them. Sooner or later, they're going to have to accept that WE are also natural.

Bit by bit, the fear and awe of some supreme being are disappearing because things can be explained. The believers don't like that. It means they have to take responsibility for themselves, and their faith doesn't give them automatic superiority over others. It's a difficult message and can only be delivered via a sledge hammer.

Answer 2

I'll bite, even though I'm skeptical of the idea of a young earth.

Why does the Bible contradict itself?

1. Show me where the Bible contradicts itself. I've read through the claims, and thoroughly debunked 28 of them from one site. I got frustrated with typing all of them out.

2. Outdated? How so? Do you not believe in the Cambrian explosion, which the fossil record seems to corroborate? It's described in Genesis.
How about the fact that the way water is used in nature (streams to the ocean, water evaporates, and then falls back to the earth in rainfall) is described in the Old Testament?
How about the fact that ALL organic matter is composed of quarks, which is sound, and God "spoke" everything into being?
How about the fact that it was the quarantine methods, and the disposal of dead bodies, which led to the black plague finally being brought under control in the 1600s?
Outdated? I think not.

3. There isn't any. I believe in both SOME evolution and the Bible.

4. Which errors are these? I've read many of the peer-reviewed papers written on the subject, and then I read the "creationist" response. The creationists win out, every time.

5. What scientific impossibilities? I've heard the arguments, and they've been thoroughly refuted. Repeatedly.

6. What method is that? Believing a book which has been proven time and again to be historically and scientifically correct?

7. Because they HAVEN'T been debunked by evolutionary scientists. Not even close.

8. It requires faith. Therefore, those who believe in it have chosen it as a religion, even if it is a "non-religion."

9. N/A My views on that are considerably more moderate.

Edit:
I just read your comments, and I'd like to respond to a few things.
You said:
Oh, yes there are [inaccuracies], unless bats are birds(1), rabbits chew cud(2), the earth is flat(3), the sun can stop(4), grasshoppers have four legs(5), and all races can come from two white people without being inbred(6).
1. At that time, they would have considered ALL winged animals which were not insects to be birds. If you had lived 3000 years ago, do you think you would have known better?
2. It is a scientific FACT that rabbits DO sometimes eat their own dung. How do you suppose they eat it? They CHEW it.
3. The Bible never said the earth was flat. Actually, the Bible says "the circle of the earth" in Isaiah 40:22:
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth...
All other Scriptures that supposedly point to the Earth being flat have been misinterpreted. If one looks more closely at them in the context of the times in which they were written, it makes a lot more sense.
4. NASA proved that happened.
5. That has been misintepreted. The Bible actually says that these creatures use four legs for walking (which is true!) and two additional, jointed legs for jumping.
'Yet these you may eat among all the winged insects [sherets] which walk on all fours: those which have above their feet jointed legs with which to jump on the earth. (Leviticus 11:21)

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/false.html#insects

Second edit:
This is turning out to be a very long answer. I apologize.
You said:
There are two different accounts of creation given in Genesis.
That's not true. Genesis 1 is a GENERAL description of the creation. Genesis 2 is more specific. Read it again. Carefully.
I used to think it was two different accounts as well, but after reading it again, more carefully, and studying the words, I found that it was NOT.
You also said that the Bible is 2900 years old, making it inaccurate.
It's older than that. The New Testament alone is nearly two thousand years old. The written portion of the Old Testament is 3500 years old. The ORAL traditions passed down to Moses were much older than even that.
Also, if age makes something inaccurate, then ALL ancient writings, including those written by Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, and Homer must be thrown out.
Also, historical accounts from other ancient writers such as Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Roman emperor Hadrian and Pliny the Elder must be discarded.
As a matter of fact, we should just wipe out anything that happened more than a century ago, because it's unreliable. After all, it's old.

As I implied in my answer, history and science PROVES the existence of God, and the reliability of the Bible. I would love to debate you on this any time.

Answer 3

I don't think that's entirely true. The majority of people (in the U.S. anyway) still believe in creation. Those that don't (including myself) have hard time believing that any supreme being created the human race and everything around us, from sheer will alone. The Old Testament stories are vague at best, and I personally view them as nothing more than myths and folktales that were created by ancient man in an attempt to explain our existence. I'm not saying that the events in The Bible didn't actually happen, I just think that they were way beyond the comprehension of ancient, primitive people and they simply reported these events as best as they could. However, I don't completely buy into Evolution either. I think that there is way more to the story than either The Bible or Science can explain and I have feeling that there is a very large piece missing from the puzzle. I'm sure many others feel the same way.

Answer 4

1. The bible does not contradict itself. Its the person who read and interprets it contradicts himself. Have you read the whole Bible or just part of it or none at all?

2. no answer

3. There is no part of the Bible that says you cannot accpet both evolution and God. Its the people who believes in evolution that do not accept OUR God.

4. There is no scientific error in the theory of creation. You just saying its an error simply because you dont in it. Can science explain why Jesus rose again after 3 days that he was buried?

5. It is imposible to science because you believed it is.. Long time ago, scientists do not believe that the earth is round and man cannot go to the moon until they proved that its true.


6. There is no method used in the bible. its all about faith.

7. The same way that we debunked their theories.

8. We do not say that evolution is a religion. I believe that it is a scientific theory and theory is far different from FACT.

9. Creation is taught in Catholic schools or other Christian schools only. Religion is an optional subject where Science is a mandatory subject. There is no discrimination on that. I have subjects on Science and Religion from Elementary to College but I didnt have problem with it because I know how to differentiate one from the other.

Answer 5

1) Bible contradicts itself when taken out of context, like any other document. One example: when you compare encouragement for new believers learning the basics, and old believers learning the basics, without the text around it to say there are the now guys, and these are the ones born into it you're bound to get confused.

2) Because science has the same theory of how the universe began just without the voice of God.
Creationist theory: "Let there be!" Universe came into being
Scientific theory: *mute*.................Universe came into being
Oh btw prove the bible is outdated.

3) The timeline of evolution is Millions of years; the timeline in creation is 6000

4) Were the scientists atheists?

5) Lower the highest mountains and raise the ocean floor the ocean could cover the earth.

6) Faith, just like you have in science

7) Evolution is a theory, one with many flaws, one of which is defying the second LAW of thermodynamics, by in essence saying that you can spontaneously gain complexity on an atomic level in sufficient quantity to form an organism. And forms that base organism build to other organisms. This is the same as saying water can flow up a 45 degree slope, without any assistance.

8) Never heard it presented as a religion. Don’t know where you got that from. Besides, the "Universal Law of Gravitation" is a scientific law that can be proven in a variety of situations, and has been used many times.

9) Never said it had to be a Christian God, or that it would have to omit the other Gods. It could just be a chapter with differing theories on the formation of the universe, being you cannot prove evolution (your views are skewed because you want to prove it can happen and the proof is like proof that aliens are real). It is only fair and scientific to provide multiple theories, regardless of preconceptions and personal desires, that explain a given event or occurrence when there is no clear correct one.

Answer 6

Well, that's alot to answer. I'll answer the last question first. I think that there should at least be a choice in schools about whether or not someone wants to learn about one or the other or both.
Where do you say the contradictions occur in the Bible?
What do you say about the idea that this planet, the solar system and everything in it came out of nowhere?
It is the beginning of the Bible that says men and women were thinking, speaking beings not monkeys or apes or anything else.
Who's says the Bible is outdated?
Why does everything have to scientifically proven? What about mysteries? The Bible aside, there are many things that cannot be proven or tested infallibly. Imagination is a wonderful thing to have and it brings joy to my life.
Have you ever read the Bible?

Answer 7

1. Where does it contradict itself?
2. 2 + 2= 4 is also outdated, but is still being used.
3. Because evolution puts out the propaganda that something came from nothing, which is an impossiblity.
4. Anything proved by science only substantiates that fact of the "existence" of God.
5. What is impossible to you is possible to God.
6. Because it doesn't matter.
7. Evolution was debucked a hundred years ago, but it still festers like a gangrenous wound.
8. Because it takes a lot of faith to believe in such a theory!
9. We are not here, in America, to make people comfortable all the time. So what's wrong with teaching children "Thou shalt not kill."
And if you are an athiest, WHY DO YOU LIVE IF THERE IS A GOD?

Answer 8

For those who believe in Creation?
Can you explain to me why you think creation is an alternative or even superior theory to evolution by answering the following questions:
First of all forgive me for my spelling errors im short on time.

Creation is fact we see it every day in , evolution is theory just as youve stated.

Why does the Bible contradict itself?

The Bilble is only contradictory when read by people whom are not truly regenerate.

Why are all creationist arguments based on the Bible, an outdated set of theological documents?

The Bible isnt outdated theo documents it was given by God .
There has been and are still proving historical and theological facts according to the Bible. DO your own research.

What part of the Bible says you cannot accept both evolution and God?
The very first verse of the Bible " in the begining GOD created the heavens and the earth.


What would you say to counter all the scientific errors found in the theory of creation?

One word THEORY.
Science is continually changing theory continually changes with it we are human we are not all knowing , what really confuses me is that in our universe and with our own bodys, in all the things around us there is an unmeasurable amount of complexity that with all our technology and knowledge we havnt even touched the face of it How can anyone dout God and creation.

What would you say to the scientific impossibilities of the Flood story?

Again people but there faith in scientific theorys and ideas.
I put my faith in God "Jesus Christ"
science has made great strides in things that are not theory such as surgery ,medicines things that are visible and tangible but anything past that is someones Theory or Idea attempting to exsplain the unexsplainable.

If carbon-dating is inaccurate as you say, why do you believe your method is more accurate?

It is not a secret in any modern society that carbon dating is inacurate .Historical bible based facts, Proven tangibly and visibly by the uncovering of historical societys.

Since all of your claims have been debunked by evolutionary scientists or have nothing to do with the subject, why do you continue to put forth said claims?

Theres no proof in scientific theory just someones opinion.

Why do you say evolution is a religion when it is actually a scientific theory, like gravity?

It takes a great deal of FAITH in man and his abilities to believe everything in the begining was created within itself.

IF you want creation taught in schools, what about all the children who do not believe in God?
What about all the children that do?

I have a question for you and other people like you why does it bother so bad what i believe ?
People like you spend countless hours trying to convince me to change but i think your only trying to convince yourselves .
Christ is the way the truth and the life and there is no other way but thru HIM .
We have emotions ,and values ,we are born with a knowledge of wrong and wright , we love we hate we cry we hurt
and in every person theres a knowledge of GOD some deny it some try to exsplain it away but its undeniable .

Answer 9

you asked too many questions to answer now...

Just one: what part of the bible says you cannot accept both evolution and God?

I would reframe the question to say "what part of the bible says you cannot accept both evolution as true and the bible as true" because many many people will say they believe in God but also believe in evolution. But you cannot accept evolution and the creation account of the bible as literally true.

The bible does not state it, obviously, but studying the bible leads to no other conclusion: evolution is absolutely not true.

The bible teaches that before Adam and Eve fell, before their expulsion from the Garden, there was no death. Death only entered the world because of sin - the sin of Adam and Eve. Therefore, there could be no evolution prior to their existence because there was no death, no past generations of species.

If you do not believe in the creation of man by an act of God in a moment of time and the subsequent fall of man, you eliminate the concept of sin and thus the need for redemption which is the fundamental theme throughout the entire bible. you eliminate the need for Jesus coming to earth, dying on the cross, rising again, etc.

If you do not hold to the direct creation of man and his fall, you also eliminate the biblical concept of restoration and a "new heavens and a new earth" - a new paradise - ushered in at the second coming of Jesus.

If you do not hold to a literal Adam and Eve in the garden and the Genesis account, then you must cut out several other important parts of the bible that refer to Adam and/or Eve as literal people: not only the book of Genesis but 1st Chronicles, Job, Luke, Romans, 1st Corinthinans, 1st timothy, and Jude.

So it all ties together- therefore, I conclude you cannot have it both ways - either you hold to evolution or you hold to a literal interpretation of the creation account but you cannot hold to both.

now some will argue that the bible isn't meant to be taken literally but that takes the answer in a different direction than what you asked.

god bless.

Answer 10

There are 3 heaven and earth ages, same heaven and earth but different ages.

II Pet.3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS
Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

To that earth age the world that then was, belongs all fossils and remains. Scientific estimates or guesses; universe or heavens 20 billion years old, earth 4.6 billion years old, moon 200 to 300 million years younger than earth, dinosaur extinction 65 million years ago, Ice Age 2.5 million years ago.
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BEING OVERFLOWED WITH WATER PERISHED
Gen.1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

AND THE EARTH WAS
The word “was” (hayah) in Hebrew, was not distinguished by the Revisers, that is the verb “to be” from “to become”. The same Hebrew word “hayah” is translated “became” in Gen.2:7.
AND THE EARTH BECAME

WITHOUT FORM H8414 tohu (to'-hoo) From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

VOID H922 bohu (bo'-hoo) From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.
AND THE EARTH BECAME DESOLATE AND EMPTY
Earth was not created that way but became desolate and empty due to Satan’s rebellion. A global overflowing of water, but not Noah’s deluge. Darkness was upon the (face) of the deep, in other words the whole earth.
Into this we can read; dinosaur extinction, destruction of Atlantis, breakup of Gondwana Land, and the Ice Age.
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BUT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WHICH ARE NOW
Gen.1:2 And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen.1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

About 63 A.D. Peter writes, the heavens and the earth which are now. The heaven and earth age we are in now, today.
BY THE SAME WORD ARE KEPT IN STORE
RESERVED UNTO FIRE
AGAINST THE DAY OF JUDGMENT
AND PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN
PERDITION G684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a) From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.
Some will perish eternally and not see the third heaven and earth age.