Jesus Will Was Distinct From His Own?

Question

Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not equal, and therefore not one and the same, comes again from the mouth of Jesus himself who said in John 14:28: "My Father is greater than I." When someone referred to him as a good master in Luke 18:19, Jesus responded: "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42) Jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God, when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but Thine be done" and in John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself?

hello. suzanne. u caught me.I just re-asked
the questions and I am curious to know the answers from our fellow christians.
Hello.EyesLovesJ.. is that Jesus in your eyes i see?

I'm what I am..Born of the flesh living by the spirit !

Answer 1

I think that your research has been well done, but I would like to offer a couple of suggestions that you may or may not have considered. First - I think it is a false premise to think that someone who is under authority is inferior to the one over them. I may be employed by someone and work for them and submit my will to theirs, but that does not mean I am inferior to them . I still remain a human being with all the rights and priveledges that go with it, and am equal to my employer. So Christ taking on that position does not necessarily take away His equality with God. Second - The position that Jesus took of humbling Himself under His Faather was a temporary position as pointed out in Phillippians 2. So those statements that He made during that period of submission do not necessarily reflect His eternal glorified state.
Third - I do not see that response of Jesus when He said "Why do you call Me good.... as being an admission that He was not God. I think what He was saying to the man was "Why do you call me good?" ie Have you recognized that I am God?
In Phillipians 2 ( the chapter on Christ's relationship to the Father during this time) the Bible says that Christ "humbled Himself and became obedient" Why would He need to humble Himself and become obedient if He was already inferior to the Father?

Answer 2

You're either a Jehovah's Witness or a Muslim, aren't you? I suspected this with your first question a few minutes ago. A quick internet search showed me this is a cut-and-pasted post at quite a number of Muslim websites.

As I answered under your first question, the Bible CLEARLY tells us that, while Jesus was living on earth, He voluntarily gave up some of His Godly powers so He could experience life as we do. Following His death, He blatently tells us he DOES know when He'll return, proving He no longer has this limitation.

You'll not convince anyone here that Jesus wasn't God, so why not use this time instead to actually STUDY this issue, instead of parroting what others have already said? You may learn something that brings you everlasting life.

Peace.

Answer 3

You've missed the whole concept of the Holy Trinity. Consider it like this. God the Father, the Great I Am, manifested himself in the flesh in the form of Jesus Christ. In physical form, Jesus became self aware of who he was and what his role was on earth. He was to be the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the world. When God the Father spoke to Jesus he was in the form of the Holy Spirit. Three manifestations of the same entity. Can you understand this?

Answer 4

He said these things simply because He was human as well as divine -- and as a human, He was teaching the rest of us a lesson in humility before God.

After all, if the Son of God could show such humility and reverence toward the Father, it's all the more reason the rest of us should.

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Answer 5

Hello Talent... :)

John 14

Jesus the Way to the Father

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 ¶ Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


In Jesus Most Precious Name..
With Love..In Christ.. :)

Answer 6

I think you answered your own question there. God is God and Jesus was Jesus - He came and was taken back, God will always be, they are two distinct entities, just as we all are. There are many things written in the Bible that we will never understand - these are the mysteries - believe in them and you will be saved. That is all.

Answer 7

Definitely Jesus was a mighty prophet of God not God himself. You see Gospels got corrupt but still corruptes of the Gosples and inventing a book called Bible didnt manage to remove some of the refrences which has contradictions.

Answer 8

God will open the eyes on whom He willed,
if that person is sincere and keen to learn.

Answer 9

Jesus said that "I and the Father are one." as well.