To think Christian and Theologians?

Question

How many of you know what TULIP is? And if so how many points are you and why?

Answer 1

I am a no point Calvinest I have a free will. God did not make a robot.
1.Total Depravity: This doctrine is based on the idea that since the unsaved man is dead in trespasses and sins, he can do nothing to believe the gospel. Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; The term “sovereignty of God” and “irresistible grace” in not found in the Word of God. The term free will is found in the following verses: Exodus 35:5 Take ye from among you an offering unto the LORD: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the LORD; gold, and silver, and brass, Exodus 35:21 And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD's offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments. Exodus 35:29 The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the LORD, every man and woman, whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the LORD had commanded to be made by the hand of Moses. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
2.Unconditional Election: The body of Christ (the church) was chosen before the foundation of the world not the ones that were placed into it. Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: It was in Christ, you are not in Christ until you believed.
3.Limited Atonement is based on the following verses: John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Are all saved? The answer of course is no. This is the reason Calvinist believe atonement is only offer to a few.
4.Irresistible Grace: This is supposedly taught by the following verse: Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. We know that the Holy Spirit is the instrument that convicts a man. These are the same people that Paul tells us about in Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Romans 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; So, the one that God has ordained to eternal life according their works believe on Christ and are saved through faith. Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Not one of the unsaved gentiles was one of the elect. Acts 7: 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Predestination or perseverance of the saints. Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Nobody in the OT was regenerated. Nobody in the OT was granted repentance. Nobody in the OT was chosen in Christ. Nobody in the OT believed that Christ died for his sins. We are not predestinated until we are in Christ and we are not place in Christ until we believed and the Spirit baptizes you into the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.,

Answer 2

Total Depravity.

Unconditional Election

Limited Atonement

Irresistible Grace.

Perseverance of the Saints.


That's Calvinism.
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It doesn't make sense.

We still retain our basic goodness after the fall, but our nature was wounded and weakened. With total depravity, the intellect would be so dark that we wouldn't even know that we are totally depraved. Also, there are examples of human goodness around us all the time.

Unconditional election doesn't make sense. We have to choose God. Free will is still operative. Staunch Calvinists believe it by default by punishing anyone who they think does wrong thus contradicting their own beliefs. Calvinists are among the most intolerant of those who err or get out of line.

Irresistible grace - nope, we can resist God. Just read the Bible. God told Cain the he could do well if he choose, but he choose not to.

Perseverance of the saints - nope, the Bible calls us to persevere. We are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. It is not guaranteed. That is all over the Bible.






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Answer 3

I'm more of a daffodil guy myself. Give me a billion points on the tulip thing.

Answer 4

I know. A few.

I disagree with Calvin. Man has a free will. Look at Adam...he purposely chose to not to follow what God told him to do.

Jesus also would say that man has a free will in that He gave us the Great Commission.

Answer 5

My husband wished I would plant tulips!!

Answer 6

I know.

It's Calvinism and I reject them totally.

Put me down for a "ZERO" on the TULIP scale.

Answer 7

a flower duh!l lolololol