Have you forgotten some of Jesus'(pbuh) sayings?

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Some Forgotten Sayings of Jesus>
Peace be Upon him

Anyone can call God "Father" according to the Bible:
"I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your
God." (John 20:17 RSV 1952)

Jesus, at the end of his mission, made it clear that God is not only his father, but father of all, and God of all, and even his own God whom he worshipped throughout his earthly career.

"We cry, Abba, Father." (Romans 8:15 KJV 1611)

Here the writer is Paul and he made it clear that anyone can address God as "Father." Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:

". . . Do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." (Matthew 23:1,9 NIV 1984)

According to Matthew, Jesus taught everyone to call God 'Father'. He said to them: "This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name . . .' " (Matthew 6:9 NIV)

Jesus made it clear that he is not God

"Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18)

A man had ran up and knelt before Jesus and called him "Good Teacher." Jesus used the opportunity to make it clear to people that they must not praise him more than a human being deserves to bepraised.

Jesus depends on God for Authority: God depends on no one:

"I can do nothing of my own authority" (John 5:30)

"I do as the Father has commanded me." (John 14:31 RSV)

Needless to say, God does not receive commands from anyone.
"The words that I say to you I do not speak of my own authority." (John 14:10 RSV)

"I do nothing of my own authority but speak thus as the Father has taught me." (John 8:28 RSV)
God has full authority, and full knowledge. He cannot be taught, but He teaches.
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Jesus is not Equal to "The Father"
"The Father is greater than I." (John 14:28 RSV)

People forget this and they say that Jesus is equal to the Father.
Whom should we believe--Jesus or the people?
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Jesus Does Not Know Everything
Speaking of the Last Day, Jesus said:

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matthew 24:36)
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Did Jesus Raise Himself up?

God raised him up. (Acts 2:24)
Jesus did not have power to raise himself up. God had to raise him up, as the author of Acts says. ------------------------------... Jesus prayed to God: God prays to no one
"Abba, Father, all things are possible to thee; remove this cup from me; yet not what I will, but what thou wilt." (Mark 14:32)
Jesus fell on his face and prayed to God, begging God to save him from crucifixion. This also shows that Jesus had a will different from God's will.

The writers of Matthew, Mark, and Luke tell us that it was Jesus's wish to be saved from crucifixion, but it was God's will to let the crucifixion take place.
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46)
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Jesus did not know the tree had no fruit
He [Jesus] was hungry. And on seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it , he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs.
(Mark 11 12-13)
When he saw that the tree had leaves, he thought that he might find fruit on it. But when he came up close to the tree he realised there were no fruits. After all, it was not even fig season.
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"Behold my servant whom I have chosen." (Matthew 12:18 In this passage God calls Jesus His servant)

The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus. (Acts 3:13)
For truly in this city there were gathered together against thy holy servant Jesus. (Acts 4:27)
Everyone, except for God, are God's servants. Jesus, too, is God'sservant.

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Who was real Worker of Miracles?
Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: (Acts 2:22 KJV)
People say that since Jesus worked many miracles, he must be God. But here we see that God did the miracles; Jesus was the instrument God used to accomplish His work. Jesus was a man whom God approved of.
This means he was a righteous man.

Jesus cannot guarantee positions
"To sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father" (Matthew20:23)
Therefore if we want to secure our position with God in the life hereafter we must turn to God and ask Him.
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A Misunderstood saying
I and the Father are one. (John 10:30)
People like to quote this saying, but they forget the followingsaying:
John 17:11 Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
This shows that what was meant was one in purpose, not one in substance as people think. The disciples could not become one human, but they can pursue the same goal. That is to say, they can be one in purpose, just as Jesus and the Father are one in purpose.

Did Jesus say everything John says he said?
John 14:9 Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life.
John 8:12 I am the light of the world.
John 8:58 Before Abraham was, I am.
John 10:7 I am the door of the sheep.
John 11:25 I am the resurrection, and the life.
John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life.
John 15:1 I am the true vine.
Christian scholars tell us that if Jesus had made all these fantastic claims about himself, the first three gospels would surely have recorded them. Mark was written around 70 C.E., followed by Matthew and Luke somewhere between 80-90 C.E. John, written around 100 C.E., was the last of the four canonized gospels. The Christian scholar James Dunn writes in his book The Evidence for Jesus:

"If they were part of the original words of Jesus himself, how could it be that only John picked them up and none of the others? Call it scholarly skepticism if you like, but I find it almost incredible that such sayings should have been neglected had they been known as a
feature of Jesus' teaching. If the 'I ams' had been part of the original tradition, it is very hard indeed to explain why none of the other three evangelists made use of them." (The Evidence for Jesus, p.36)

Similarly, the New American Bible tells us in its introduction, under the heading How to Read Your Bible: >

"It is difficult to know whether the words or sayings attributed to Jesus are written exactly as he spoke them. . . . The Church was so firmly convinced that . . . Jesus . . . taught through her, that she expressed her teaching in the form of Jesus' sayings." (St. Joseph Medium Size Edition, p.23)
What we have in John, then is what people were saying about Jesus at the time John was written (about 70 years after Jesus was raised up).
The writer of John simply expressed those ideas as if Jesus had said them. Rev. James Dunn says further in his book that, almost certainly, the writer of the fourth gospel "was not concerned with the sort of questions which trouble some Christians today -- Did Jesus actually say this? Did he use these precise words? and so on." (The Evidence
for Jesus, p. 43)

I am glad to see that people could refute this entire thing with a couple of sentences, unsupported by scripture but supported by emotion.

Answer 1

Perhaps you never knew about this interchange between him and the pharisees:

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. 65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

He was clearly equating himself with God. You can't be accused of blasphemy for claiming to be a mere human.

Answer 2

What you have shown is that Jesus is not the Father. I would agree. But it's more comlicated than that. God is also Spirit. God is the "Word." He is the Son.

I know that seems wrong to you but that's okay. It's just that when you use the verses that you did, you are proving your inability of using logic to form an arguement, at least about scripture.

God has always been the Deliverer, Salvation, the Redeemer. Does it surprise you that He can do what He did? Why? Isn't He capable of doing things that seem impossible?

Until you know the trust you can have in Him to fulfill His word, and the means He went to supply His grace, you will never believe in the Son of God. The Great, 'I AM.'

You can PBUH all day long and miss this point.

PBUH never saved anyone. It's a colloquialism, hollow to express sentiment akin to Muslims thought, not the thoughts of God. It places sentiment ahead of reason.

Answer 3

The first part of what you wrote just sounds like good reasoning. until I get to the paragraph about " Jesus referred to as a servant of God"- I'm not sure about that.
and then it says," Who was real Workers of Miracles"- I have never thought about that before.
and when it talks about " Did Jesus say everything John says?"
That part is really foreign to me.

Answer 4

Your words are interesting young one. The perfection of Jesus and his complete and total Unity with God is a description of His divinity. What you have reviewed for us is a description of the Trinity (indivisible). It is quite good. Remember, Christians believe that Jesus is indivisible from God. Remember. Respect.

God is Love, for what does your holy text represent?

Answer 5

God is light and Jesus came out of the father to being slavation to the world yeat he is the father and the father is he. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the father. You have not seen the father but i came from the father and i return to the father. No man has know the father but the Son. God is spirit jesus is Spirit also but he came in the likeness of the flesh. That he could redeem men who being curse in the flesh due to sin had to be redeemed by a flesh being. Yeat sin was in all flesh. Thus Jesus had to come in the likness of flesh with out the sin of all flesh thus you have the virgine birth which had no ties to the blood line of any man. As there was no man involved. The holy spirit created Jesus. Just like the first man was created who sined. Yeat Jesus had not sin of his own laid to his account. All of this was done to gloify Gods son Jesus. Now Jesus is called the son of God not because he is a son like a moral man but because he came out of GOD. Sons come from fathers. This is a form of expression, conveying a expression of relationship. This is why we say that Jesus is God and that God is also in heaven. Because it is true. Jesus is teaching us to have relationship with the Father because Jesus has come to restore us to the father. Jesus is now our Lord and savior. But his father is our God. But these are all one spirit. The father the son and the holy spirit all are God. The holy spirit and the son of God came out of the father. And they return unto the Father. Thus in the bible you see the accounts of all three at different time being shown. From genisus to revelation. In the book of genisus whos form was Adam made in Jesus form. Adam had flesh and God moves across time and space with out any reguard for our laws of time. But God the father stood before Mosus and showed his back side. In Holy Spirit you see taking the form of a dove. He is pure spirit not having a body as Jesus does. Yeat these all three are of one spirit. This is called the trinity in these times, the God head in the bible. Jesus said pray to the father. But you can pray to the son or the father. They are one. Jesus is the one mediator between man and the father. He is going to get the prayer anyway. All this was to bring glory to Jesus that is what the main point of all this is. God has cast satan down for wickness and evil. Then God used a little part of himself to bring judgement upon satan via moral man. Moral man is now bashing satan in the head day and night. And he is being shamed.

Answer 6

Yes but only Jesus is begotten of the Father. We are all children of the Father spiritually.

Answer 7

Just to clarify the Trinity for you. In Hebrew the LORD God is Yahweh Elohim. Elohim/ ELHYM is plural of ELYH/ ALH/ EL. The LORD thy God is one (EKD, United) LORD. Elohim is the Trinity. Elyh is a singular part of the Trinity.

The Father of Elohim is El. The Word of Elohim is El. The Holy Spirit of Elohim is El. Jesus prayed to His Father when on the cross, "My El (God), my El (God), why have you forsaken me?" Singular and to the Father El. There was a separation between The Father and the Son when Jesus bore our sins on the cross. Elohim (God the Trinity) broke for us.

Before the cross, Jesus had said, "My Father & I are one.". After the cross, Jesus said I have not yet ascended to the Father.

God is One, the Father, Word & Holy Spirit. We are made in the image of Elohim. We are body, soul & spirit = one person. The Word put on flesh and dwelt among us to redeem us from death & hell. It was in His humanity that he overcame death, by being obedient to the Father to the point of death. He was without sin (never sinned / rebelled against God in His humanity). So, he raised from the dead. So, we also are raised up with Him and sit in high places in Christ (we who believe).

When we confess Jesus Christ Lord,& believe in our heart the resurrection, we will be saved. That is how we are born of the spirit, cleansed by His Blood. We then are restored in spirit and pray to God in spirit & truth 24/7. The Holy Spirit assures us in our Spirit we are born of God, and cry out in our spirit Abba, Patier (Father, Father). God is our Heavenly Father, because we are restored in relationship with God by being born again. It is a gift of God, through faith in Jesus Christ.

Also, it is written in Genesis 1, Elohim created the heavens and the earths.

Elohim is the fulness of God. In John it is written that the fulness of God is/was with Jesus. As children born of God, the Spirit & faith is given to us by measure.

Answer 8

Holy cow. You have done yet another great job of taking verses out of context. That means your argument has no basis.

Answer 9

We are supposed to be honest and obey the rules.

The rules here say that you are supposed to be asking a question.

If you can't even follow this simple rule, why should we read your 8 page cut and paste proselytizing post?

Answer 10

I Know that which God leads me to... which He intends me to have.... I know with absolute certainty that Jesus The Christ has absolutly NOTHING to do with the deception that is islam.