"Paradox for Evolutionist"?

Question

I. Where did all the material present in the Big Bang come from?

2. Why did the material suddenly explode?

3. Can an explosion bring about order?


Evolutionary scientists have left the answer to the first two of these questions as simply "UNKNOWN/' However, because of scientific experiment, the third question can be answered with an emphatic "NO."

Answer 1

i heard a good analogy once. if you go to a junk yard (car grave) and create an explosion, how many working cars will come out of the explosion?

*shrug*

however i dont find any set religion to be anymore realistic. none of them make sense either. dont know why people dont come to terms u cant prove whether or not god exists.

Answer 2

Its strange that you should have called this a paradox for the evolutionist. What on earth does Big Bang theory have to do with evolution? Plenty of scientist agree with evolution but question the Big Bang. Similarly some scientists (ok, not very many) question evolution but agree with the Big Bang.

The answer to the first two questions is unknown. And? Like, er, SO WHAT? Really, what is your point here? We don't know whats on the bottom of the sea - the sea doesn't suddenly disappear because of that. We can't predict earthquakes - they still happen. And we still go on looking, finding clues, finding out bits of what's there and how it works.

Apparently an explosion as big as the Big Bang can produce order. Just as once you get REALLY fast relativity kicks in once you get REALLY hot quantum mechanics hits in with all its exclusion principles, quanta etc. etc. A lot of this is "explained" in Stephen Hawkin's book "A Brief History of TIme" (the scare quotes around "explained" are because it still fried my brain).

Answer 3

Yet another person showing they have no understanding of evolution whatsoever.

Apparently you have the total inability (just like many other Christians) to differentiate between theories on the universal origin and the theory of evolution.

Evolution talks NOTHING......................... let me word that again on a separate line........

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

hope that made sense....

it talks NOTHING about the beginning of the universe.

Evolution talks about how species change over a long period of time into something else through genetic mutation. This mutation is usually caused by environmental pressures, but not always.

So, what you posted is not a paradox about evolution because

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

Now, to talk about the Big Bang, (which again has NOTHING to do with evolution)...

1. Scientists don't know. They're trying to find out. So, unless you're so completely clueless about the universe that you can't understand that science doesn't claim to have the sum of all knowledge already in its pocket (unlike religion) and that new things are being discovered every day, you are again, wrong.

2. See answer to number 1.

3. Yes, it is possible that an explosion will bring about order. To understand that you'd have to understand advanced physics. Since it would take years to explain and teach you the information you'd need to understand it, I'm not even going to bother to try.

Answer 4

1. The first one is not "unknown"-- every element in existence came from the big bang, hydrogen being the first element, and others were created at various parts of the explosion (certain temperatures were able to create certain elements on a varying scale).

2. Yes this is unknown, but there are reasonable theories.

3. The explosion did not bring about order. The highest level of order is when every molecule was at the singularity (as you go 'back in time' things were more ordered than they are now -- time is the increasing of entropy)...your 3rd question actually makes no sense because it is the opposite of what science says. But to answer it, no an explosion would not bring about more order....as the big bang did not.

Answer 5

Don't write science off because it doesn't have all of the answers yet. They know a million times more now than just a hundred years ago. They're getting there.
How does religion answer questions ? How can one person be three ? Don't know. How can three people be one ? Don't know. How can a virgin have a baby ? Don't know. How can a dead person come back to life ? Don't know. How can someone mumble a prayer, and someone hear it a trillion miles away ? Don't know.
Does religion make any sense at all ? That can be answered with an emphatic "NO".

Answer 6

First there wasn't any "material" in the big bang - it was a single point - a singularity where what you know as material does not exist. Why did it explode - who knows and as far as an explosion bringing about order - you are absolutely correct - it cannot - BUT - a few hundred billion years of coalescing can bring about order. 6 days won't do it but billions of years could. NOW, where is your soul, how could the earth be created in 6 days when days were not created until a couple of days into it, who did Cain marry and who did he populate the city he built, with. ????

Answer 7

0) This is cosmology, not biology. Why are you asking biologists an Astronomy & Space question in Religion & Spirituality?

1) Energy

2) Unknown

3) Order can develop in a chaotic system. The eye of a hurricane is a classic example.

You're 1 for 3 and your paradox isn't a paradox. Weak. Very weak.

Answer 8

Having taken graduate courses in physics and cosmology and having done a great deal of thinking about these issues, I will attempt to give my answers to your questions.

1. This is easy! Actually the material formed slightly after the big bang. Matter/Energy formed in equal and opposite quantity to the Gravitational Potential Energy resulting from the inflation. Gravitational Potential Energy is negative!.

The total energy of the universe is zero. The positive energy of the things we observe is balanced by a negative gravitational energy. Therefore it was formed without violating the principle of the conservation of energy. When something falls it loses gravitational potential energy. If an object were to fall into the universe from an infinite distance away the gravitational potential energy the object lost would equal the total mass energy of the object. So the mass and energy we see came from the inflation itself.

But this is really not the best way of looking at this. In a larger sense, reality is eternal. Don't think of reality as space changing with time, think of it as unchanging space-time.
See http://www.platonia.com/

Or even better think of it as unchanging mathematics masquerading as space-time.
See: http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/toe_frames.html

2. First there was no material which suddenly exploded. There is simply a mathematical reality which when looked at from our perspective gives that interpretation. It is likely that regions of reality which look like the results of a big bang have the highest likelihood of our having evolved. In regions without big bang inflation, you don't have mass, without mass you don't have us.

See: http://www.anthropic-principle.com/

3. The apparent complexity ( The mathematical term is "Kolmogorov Complexity" is likely a selection effect. Reality as a whole is likely simple. The reason reality looks "ordered" is because we see so little of it. We live in an apparently ordered part of it because that is necessary for our evolution.

See: http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/kolmogorov.html

Your misunderstanding of these issues are due to the extreme myopia of our existence. We really only see an infintesimal portion of reality. And of course other than the selection effect of our existence itself, none of this is related directly to biological evolution, which is a fact whether you like it or not.

Answer 9

Yes it does leave us with the same question, how did it all start? The question is still open. We don't know the answer. We can only imagine. Even if there was one God that created all of this, then that God will be unknown to us too. We cannot prove anything. It's a magical universe.

Answer 10

The material was the remains of another universe that collapsed on itself.

It exploded because the energy was too great

the explosion didn't bring about order. The galaxies are radomly dispersed. Gravity, magnetism and other attractive forces are creating the order.


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