The Bible never changed? Will every member of a church that allows women to speak be punished?

Question

Or was women speaking only wrong up until the 1960s?

I'm just trying to figure this out.

Which side of the picket lines was God on during the Civil Rights Movement?

Never read the Bible, huh?

1 Corinthians 14:34
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.

Answer 1

This is in Timothy 2:11 so don't pull that Jesus new covenant BS
try 1 Corinthians 14:34 too

WTF? What the **** is up with women preachers? Are they all ******* illiterate? Just what bible is it that they are reading from? Maybe my dumb *** is ******* missing something. I see these women on TV preaching from something they call a Bible. Now the last time I checked, a Christian "Female Preacher" is an oxymoron, like "Military Intelligence" or "Jumbo Shrimp" or "Religious Tolerance" or "Free With Purchase."

What the **** part of "Let your women be silent in church" (1 Corinthians 14:34) are these painted whores not understanding? Is the bible somehow irrelevant to these estrogen overdosed, bible thumping, nail polishers? What ******* part of "It is an abomination for a woman to speak in church" are they managing to ******* overlook?

On one hypocritical hand they say "God loves you" while on the other manicured hand they ignore " "Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor" (Timothy 2:11). Jesus H. ******* Christ on a pogo stick. Did they miss that part where the loving God gives all females pain in childbirth for the transgressions of Eve?

Have some ******* self-respect, woman! The bible says you're nothing but a breeding machine, and Christians waving and thumping on the bible were the last bastion of resistance against allowing you to vote. You don't think Eve was blamed for all evil entering the world by accident, do you? Have you ever heard of Pandora? I don't give a flying **** how much lip service you give to feminism and equality. If you are a woman and a Christian, you are your own ******* worst nightmare and the only thing that makes me more vomitous than priests is women who aspire to be priests.

Hell, free thinkers rebelling against the "word of god" over the years and dragging the fundies into modernization is the only reason you're not still property that's bought and sold from your father to whatever husband your father struck a good deal with.

Answer 2

Okay, the Bible has changed a lot (King James Version wasn't written at the beginning of the Church but during King James's reign over Britain), and remember that the books that are in the New Testament were carefully chosen by the Catholic Church from many letters and gospels out there.

It's not the book, it's the message. The other problem is that the Bible contradicts itself all over the place. John 3:16 tells us how to get to God and Christ, but all the other Pauline letters have all these tenets, including the concept that celibacy has more value than marriage and children.

That said, God was on God's side during the Civil Rights Movement, and if we're playing the God being on someone's side card, considering how many people were slaughtered in Nazi concentration camps for that horrific half-decade, was God on the Nazis' side during that time? Why did God let that happen?

Theocracies are always problematic because the religious texts can be defined in so many ways. Remember that the Qu'uran creates truly peaceful Muslims and the fundamentalists who are currently on Jihad against the world (even other Muslims). The Bible does the same, with Christians so violent against people who aren't narrow-minded that they are willing to murder them (terrorism against abortion clinics).

We as people, have no idea about the mind of God, therefore we cannot make judgements as to what God is planning for humanity.

Then again, I think God is asleep and dreaming us, so the moment he awakens, we all stop existing.

Answer 3

There were no women in the Ministry of Paul's church or any other church back then. In Jewish temples MEN and WOMEN were kept separate (Like should be with Like) and eventually when Constantine formalized the Catholic Church women were not to be made priests and it is that way right up to today.

Women did not really become active until the New Age religions, such as the Seventh Day Adventists in the 1800s.

Right now the Episcopalians have elected a Woman to run the Church in America and there is civil war. A large faction of the American Episcoplains have petitioned the Archbishop of Canterbury to assign them a new leader. Men in other nations are planning to snub the woman leader at the International meetings planned in the future.

You will NEVER see a female cleric of Imam in Islam. Never.

Women barely make up 5% of the Chrsitain religion ministers or priests and usually only in "new age" and "liberalized" churches.

These same kinds of churches, by the way, are the ones sympathetic to the Gay movement.

By the way how many books in the current bible (the one made AFTER Constantine's people took out a bunch of stuff) were written by women! Ruth, right!

Answer 4

For anyone saying the bible doesn't say women can't speak in his churches, you'd better do a thourough search through it. Maybe use that online bible, and do a Ctrl F. I don't know the particular passage (I really wish people would cite bible passages properly: it'd make their arguements a whole heck of a lot stronger), but the "no women ministers" and the like has been around, as has the "proper way to treat slaves" thing. Yep. The bible says a lot of stuff that popular Christian movement doesn't stick to anymore.

Face it people: the words of the true lord and savior were altered by the impure hearts of man. You can't rely on the bible as a flawless source of information, because humanity has flawed it.

Answer 5

Women are not to usurp the authority over the man. If women were not permitted to speak, then women could not teach class or sing in the worship. Women are to carry out the commands of the worship which includes singing and women are to teach children and other women. A woman is not allowed to preach or to teach over top of the men in worship. The worship changed from the Old Testament to the New, when Christ died. Women are not to be completely silent. You have to look at the meaning of the words in the Greek to find out what that word meant at the time it was written.

Answer 6

Let me give you some background that might help you.

The comment of keeping the woman quite was because of the way the Jewsih temple is set up back then.

The men were in the main hall with the Rabbi and the women were in smaller rooms on the side of main hall. It would be difficult to hear the Rabbi and some women would disrupt the service by yelling or asking questions.

So for the harmony of the service he wrote to ask your husbands at home.

As things changed and women joined the main hall for services in most places that comment has been outdated.

Answer 7

Friend, you yourself need to know how to handle that verse, Yes a woman is to keep silence, from what, From Preaching, & not from Testifiying, Or prophecy, Or speaking in tongues or interpretation of tongues,, Now if you want to use that verse literaly without having the right interpretation of it, What is a woman to do if she has no husband, No, God never changes, & his word don't change either, this cival rights & woman rights movement was a thing that satan try to take that curse off of mankind or womankind, But to say a woman needs to completely close their mouth, is not true, They are not to take the office of a Minister, Deacon or Bishop. This is what is known as rightly dividing the word of God.

Answer 8

Before Christianity, most services were divided into two parts, one side for men, the other for women. So, what was happening at that time was a woman on one side of the partition would yell over to her husband on the other side for clarity of meaning disrupting the service. The instructions given so that the services would not be disrupted. It was not against women as a group.

Answer 9

It was society's law at the time, and we are to follow the laws. Women aren't supposed to teach men, but a woman can give her testimony in church, or teach a woman's bible study, etc. Women were supposed to be supportive of their husbands, and could give their husbands their opinions, their husbands were the spokesmen of their whole family. It doesn't mean that women weren't involved in the church.

Answer 10

i've got in no way mentioned the bible is to be taken actually observe for observe. What I do recognize (as a super style of thousands and thousands of others do no longer) is that the particular idiomatic and semantical usages of their language in Palestine is infrequently the comparable that we in cutting-part u . s . a . of america use and understand. upload to that the fact the language used in Christ's day is a dull language, and the buffoonery of so-observed as cutting-part, enlightened, and "knowledgeable" human beings will become much extra hysterical while listening to them of their unhappy tries to describe the bible's meaning to something persons. As for what Paul wrote approximately adult males mendacity with different adult males as with a female, how can all and sundry with a thinking strategies in all likelihood no longer understand its clean and concise meaning? Are you particularly a believer, or are you only an offended and bitter atheist trolling as a believer?