FELLOW AGNOSTICS: If life is all there is, then shouldnt abortion be illegal?

Question

Since life is all we have, all we know about, and is so short, then we can say that there is nothing more precious to us. If life is the most precious thing, then abortion should be illegal. Right?

If we go beyond the biological taxonomy of "life" and say that the human embryo or growth is not life or life worth protecting, arent we now making something like a religious pronouncement?

Science says its human life. Thats not a judgement, its a biological fact. Anyone who says "its not a life" is simply ignorant of science. Its not for debate. More intelligent proponents of abortion dont deny this scienetific fact, they merely try to draw an arbitrary line at where human life can be protected.

The moment we distinguish one clump of human cells (me or you) from another smaller clump (embryo) is the moment we make a religious declaration. We declare one clump "human" and another "inhuman" or "viable" and "deadmeat". Sounds like religion to me.

Answer 1

Sure, but I think the conditions should be taken into consideration. If a woman would die if she gave birth or if she became pregnant from incest or rape, and the baby was in early term, I'm all for abortion. I'm not for abortion completely, nor am i completely against it.

Answer 2

Supply one reference where "science says its human life" -- ?? You can't, because "science" doesn't say that.

"Science" can tell you when the mass of cells in a woman's body has developed enough from microscopic lump of dividing cells into a biological form with all its functions that's capable of surviving outside of its mother's womb. That has nothing to do with religion, it's simple fact.
And making a decision that our society is best served by protecting humans that can live independently without being a form of primitive parasite isn't a religious decision either -- it's a societal one. It's a societal decision just like our decision that each of us has the "right" to control his or her own body, even if that body contains cells that *might* develop into a human. I have news for you -- even as a man, YOUR body contains cells that *might* develop into a human -- they're called sperm. By your logic, the biological death of any such potential cells is the same as killing a fully-grown human (since they're potential humans!), so think about that next time you whack off...

No religious declarations, no ambiguity about one clump of cells versus another. A simple, testable, objective dividing line, one that we've agreed as a society is a reasonable one: can't survive outside the womb, it's part of the woman's body. Can survive outside the womb, it's a human being subject to protection by the laws of the state. Clear, clean, simple, logical, and completely free of religion.

Answer 3

this question pops up interior the R&S section somewhat typically. in my opinion, i imagine that abortion is misused. even with the actual shown truth that a woman must be allowed to make judgements about her personal body, that is going to be considered that in an abortion, the fetus has no say interior the ending of its personal existence. The fetus is killed in a maximum brutal and painful trend. (certain, a fetus can sign up discomfort.) typically, abortion is performed out of a terror of ones mom and father finding out, on the insistence of the pregnant women persons's spouse, or because they experience unable to bypass ahead with a being pregnant at this degree of their existence. Others are, as you rightly observed are the victims of rape. both abortion or wearing the youngster to time period must be torture for the girl in contact. Abortion is likewise used even as there's a severe chance to the existence of the mummy (no incorrect or accurate solutions right here) or maybe as the fetus has a severe incapacity that ought to reason it a lot undue suffering (back, no incorrect or accurate solutions). Adoption, even with the actual shown truth that annoying, is a kinder, answer. although, any women persons making the decision has the right to end her being pregnant in a secure sterile environment. And on the properly of the day, an abortion is a own decision which will reason a lot problem for the persons in contact, regardless of the end result.

Answer 4

For that matter, those skin cells are human too! Don't ever walk around, wear clothes, or expose yourself to the elments or you'll be killing human life!

The moment you distinguish one clump of human cells from another is the moment you make a religious declaration, after all. Or are you just another hypocrite or troll-baiter?

Answer 5

I don't mean have to tell anyone what they should or have to do with their bodies but some are so ignorant they need to be told .
For instance don't tell me pedophiles have they the right to do
as they like with their own bodies ; hence also those without the responsibility to carry full term the responsibility entrusted to them need to sometimes be supervised and held accountable.
I do believe these abortion laws need to carefully follow medical
advice to the nature of the circumstances setting the criteria appropriate before half- mindfully writing laws.

Answer 6

This is what I think, if you want to make abortion illegal, why not go all the way? Make masturbation and birth control illegal. Hey, that's a chance at life, am I wrong? Do you masturbate? Better stop killing all those sperm!

Answer 7

who the hell are you to tell other people what they can and can not do with their own bodies?

Your logic is COMPLETELY flawed, abortion has absolutely NOTHING to do with religion, not ONE f'n bit....But people use religion in their war against abortion or for it. By your logic, we should outlaw smoking, fatty foods, cars, guns, beds, pillows, alcohol, etc. They all take away from human life

Savvy (answer below), shut the f*ck up already.

Answer 8

Get your facts STRAIGHT

A "FETUS" is a FETUS, no matter how much you try and twist science about it.
A FETUS becomes a BABY when its born.
Not that hard to get, is it?
So: You can not kill whats not been born - like you cant kill a liver or a kidney.

Answer 9

Are you secretly a pregnant chick? What the ****? Why do you ******* care??? You can't get pregnant, so you don't know what it's like at all, you do not have any concept of what it is to carry a child at all! It's a hard decision to get an abortion, so who are you to demonize her! **** you! You can get bent for all I ******* care.

Answer 10

Life isn't what's important, consciousness is.

Robots > Fetii