terrorists?

Question

why do people call the terrorists in Iraq 'freedom fighters'? and why do we label the terrorists in Iraq people fighting the occupation? I mean these heathens chop heads off, blow up markets, schools, police etc. wouldn’t they be attacking our troops not civilians if it was the occupation?? also how are we breeding terrorism?? is it possible to make a person kill/disfigure men ,women, children, chop heads off, kill police all because we made them kill their own people by invading?? I know I’ll get flagged for this unfortunately in the eyes of yahoo criticizing Islam is a term of use violation I lost 40 points today because of that.hmmmm ok.

did a sniper get ya صاحب محمد أحمد ? what happened to the akbar?
David F:
PICTURE THE SAME SITUATION IN US. WHAT IF SOME OUTSIDE FORCE WAS TO TAKE CONTROL. AMERICANS WOULD FIGHT FOR IT TO BREAK THE SYSTEM. I guarantee we would never blow up our children or chop anyone’s head off sorry.

Morningst... at no point did the American rebels blow up the civilians to make a point... being a freedom fighter is fighting the opposition controlling your country not killing civilians chopping heads of police and college students in the name of Allah.. I never herd an American soldier or any of our allies shout thank god/god is great after killing anyone. And to the guy who said I’m stating my religious views and in insulting Islam??? Please tell me were you get that from this question?

Answer 1

Hi,

I totally agree with you.
I'm from Belgium and here it's getting worse..Each day the medias try to make us think that the Americans in Iraq are the true terrorists and that the poor Irakies Freedom Fighters are just doing their duty...

It's disgusting !!!

Those ******* are just terrorists, they attack schools, markets, they blow everything where they're sure they'll make a lot of casualties...

One of the only Pro-American guy from Europe...(lol)

Answer 2

The difference betwen "terrorist" and "freedom figthers" is not as simple as one beeing "bad" and the others beeing "good". The way of looking at their actions, and the opinnion a person may have about them ( an by that the name that person will use for them) depends heavily on that person's political and moral ideas. For example, nicaraguan "Contras" of the 1980's used basically the same tactics that iraqi irsungence ( burning schools and platations, raping, terrifiying civilians, planting bombs on public places, etc) but this didn't prevent Ronald Reagan ( and a great part of the western world) to label them "freedom figthers" for beeing figthing against a socialism government contrary to their interest. Tha same happened with afgan muhadyns, wich were later to be the "bad ones" in 2001.
For another example ( and another point of view) kmer rouge ations in kamboya or arab terrorism on Israel found simmilar support on the eastern block for many years, even when we tend to consider them "terrorist".
As you can see, a big part of the problem of how to consider them would be wich side you favor. Wich makes the problem a mere act of choice, and the answer to your question would be " fpr they see them that way".

Another viewing would be " what defines a terrorist"..the aswer is ovbyous, it's tactic is to cause terror. But again...aren't all wars like that? What is the difference in bombing a hospital from a plane or doing the same with a car-bomb? And besides of all...who suffers the terror? The 11/7 events caused terror all over the western world, but many on other parts of the world ( and even in the western world itself) saw them as justified or even just. You cam claim they're "bad" but the truth is this was the same people who was protesting about the bombing of thirld word countryes or the american espancionism ( again, it depends of you wich side you'll take) and many of us were not seeing it that way ( for my part, I do not consider any of them justyfied, but that is my opinnion).

So. There isn't a simple answer...Someone sayd once "the terrorist of one are the freddom figthers of the other"

Answer 3

Let me answer your questions.

>Why do people call the terrorists in Iraq 'freedom fighters'?

I'll clarify this for you. I don't know of anyone that are calling them "freedom fighters". I believe people mean that, in their eyes they are freedom fighters.

Indeed, a lot of people in the ME are quite religious. Some truly believe that western countries are infidels. And whose to argue their beliefs? I'm sure a majority on this board believe illegal immigrants are "invaders" and we should do everything we can to keep these invaders out. They may not come out and say it, but from the number of comments I've seen it's hard to not come away with that opinion.

But this is just a recurring theme in history. We were "freedom fighters" in Vietnam. Saddam Hussein was a "freedom fighter" in the Iran-Iraq war. Osama bin Laden was a "freedom fighter" in the Soviet-Afghanistan war. So on and so forth.

You're a freedom fighter if you die for what you believe in, regardless of how others may interpret your actions. Our forefathers were not thought of by the King of England as "freedom fighters", nor were we thought of as "freedom fighters" by the native americans.

In the civil war, both sides thought they were the freedom fighters.

I'd be happier if we just dispense with the word altogether, as it is inherently biased to the side that is using it.

>why do we label the terrorists in Iraq people fighting the
>occupation?

Because they are. They are fighting for what they believe in, regardless of how we may precieve the situation.

In fact, they are fighting in the only way they know how against a superior military force.

If you're referring to the actions of the interfaction attacks, that is a different animal. Both sides are terrorizing the people, but these are symptoms of civil strife. In such conflicts, rarely has the populace safe or exempt from being targets.

Terrible? Of course. Unexpected? Not really. It's the equivalent of total warfare, only on a much smaller scale.

>I mean these heathens chop heads off, blow up markets,
>schools, police etc. wouldn’t they be attacking our troops not
>civilians if it was the occupation?

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. From their point of view, we are the heathen infidels who have bombed and invaded them and their holy lands. We've done our fair share of killing innocent civilians and destroying infrastructure. Do not presume to understand them, nor portray them with your cultural biases. This quite evident by your use of the term "heathen".

And, you're confusing two different aspects of the conflict. The smaller conflict (against our occupation). The bigger and growing conflict is the factional conflict. The current Iraqi government is viewed as weak, and various groups see this as a chance to assume power. None of the groups like us very much, but the bad blood between these factions runs deeper. Not to mention it is far easier to attack non-military targets.

If a group garners enough support/power, they can force us out. That's a nice bonus for them, but I don't think that is a primary goal at the moment.

>Also how are we breeding terrorism?

There's that word again. Basically put, the ME feels like the red-headed step-child of the world. All the big powers exert influnces on them. The kings and dictators garner special favors from them (usually to the detriment of the people). And of course, their leadership (both political and religious) use such things to control their populace by having them focus on the external causes.

You see, the "terrorists" fully and whole-heartedly believe that what they are doing is "good". Just as our founding fathers thought that fighting England was "good" and how the Nazi's believed that exterminating the Jews was "good".

Once belief enters into something, all bets are off. What a sane and logical person would view as absolutely atrocious, suddenly becomes "right" in the eyes of those who believe.

Do not make the mistake that their beliefs are no less powerful than your own. This is why an absolute victory will always elude an occupier if the fundamental idealogy of the people is against the occupier. If you can't change their beliefs, you will have a never ending stream of "freedom fighters" that will work to defeat you. And if the leaders of those people (especially relgious leaders) espouse a support for the resistance, then you will have droves.

This is what has happened for the most part, and continues to happen. There have been numerous scandals and crimes. Each event has been used to foment greater and greater discontent. This in turn feeds the ranks.

>Is it possible to make a person kill/disfigure men ,women,
>children, chop heads off, kill police all because we made them
>kill their own people by invading?

The answer is yes, but we didn't make them kill their own people. Again you are confusing two issues. They're killing each other over centuries old conflicts in their beliefs. In the absence of a strong enough power, these conflicts have risen to the surface. Neither the forces nor the government have been able to quell the violence, and this makes them bolder.

But again, it all comes down to belief. Belief is used for the justification of ones actions. This is how it has been for thousands of years, from the ancient egyptians to the greeks to the crusades to today.

>I know I’ll get flagged...

As well you should if your criticizing another religion based on your own beliefs. Remember, it is not the religion, but the person's interpretation, belief, and actions based on the religion that is important.

Viewing another cultural or religion using your own belief system is not only useless but insulting to the other culture/religion. If you don't know why they do something, then it is your fault for not learning or understanding why. You may not agree with them. You may believe they do horrible atrocius acts. But if they believe it is moral and right according to them, then no amount of pious self-righteous words from you or anyone else is going to change them.

By no means do I think what is going on over there is "good". I think it's sad and terrible. However, I can understand why they do the things they do. Fundamentally, they do it all for the same reasons that we do.

It's what we believe is right.

~X~

Answer 4

Oh, that is called political correctness.

These terrorists kill their own, no matter if we are there or not.

The criticism is most likely coming from someone on yahoo that cannot handle different opinions.

Answer 5

Dude,

Remember this Rule:

WHEN THERE IS OCCUPATION, THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE, NO MATTER WHAT. EVEN IF IT MEANS KILLING OWN PEOPLE. TERRORISM IS A TACTICS, NOT AN IDEOLOGY. THE MAIN PURPOSE IS TO BREAK AMERICAN RULE OVER OVER IRAQ.

CLEAR?

PICTURE THE SAME SITUATION IN US. WHAT IF SOME OUTSIDE FORCE WAS TO TAKE CONTROL. AMERICANS WOULD FIGHT FOR IT TO BREAK THE SYSTEM.

NOTHING SPECIAL IS GOING ON!



ADDITIONAL NOTE:

YOU ARE BEING TOO NAIVE. YOU HAVE BIAS SINCE YOU ARE AMERICAN, WHICH IS PERFECTLY NATURAL. YOU ARE TALKING THROUGH YOUR EMOTION.


AND REMEMBER, WE WOULD ONLY KNOW IF YOUR COUNTRY WAS EVER BEEN ATTACKED (NO I AMNOT TALKING ABOUT 9/11)! BUT THERE IS A REASONABLE ASSUMPITION , THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE.
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WHEN THERE IS OCCUPATION, THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE!
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WITH DRAW TROOPS.


BLOWING PEOPLE DID NOT HAPPEN ONLY IN MIDDLE-EAST. IT HAPPENED IN JAPAN, TAMIL TIGERS, PALESTINE. CHECK BACK YOUR HISTORY.

Answer 6

good question, if it was about christianity you wouldnt be flagged bc in the pc world we live in its okay to bash christianity but not islam even though the majority of terrorist are muslim. In the words of george carlin, crimefighters fight crime, firefighters fight fire, so what does freedom fighters fight? beleive that says it all. we are not breeding terrorism they are breeding there younng to hate us way before the war. anyone who says it does lives in lala land

Answer 7

To them, Americans are terrorists. They call Americans "the Jews".
Yahoo fears Muslims.
They deleted my 3 month old question criticizing them.

Answer 8

They call them freedom fighters, to make it seem like the country is evil and forcing our government upon them

Answer 9

You have a lot to learn about war, terrorism, and rebellion.

Answer 10

Beats me!
I just don't understand why the new government there supports and protects them.