Many things about Catholicism, Bible only Christians cast doubt about because they say?

Question

it is not found in the Bible but, I am saying if they would read II Thessalonians 2:15, it clearly talks about teachings through oral Traditions as well as written. Do you agree that it DOES say this?

Answer 1

Being Catholic, you can only guess that I agree. The Bible did not always existed, so the jewish priests used oral traditions.At the very end of the book of John, he wrote that Jesus did so many things on His 40 days onearth that if he were to record them there would not be enough books to contain them.

Answer 2

Yes, I do. It also mentions Apostolic Tradition in II Thessalonians 3:6.

God bless,
Stanbo

Answer 3

The person who posted above-- it would be just as easy to post someone else's words to defend everything. There is not one Christian religion today that can rightfully claim to be most like the Christian church of the beginning. None. Try studying it yourself, anyone can paste someone else's research and opinion.
A lot of catholic practices were in place from the first century and indeed early Christian churches did engage in them. (The dates you refer to sometimes refer to the dates the practices were written down--not when they were started.)

A lot of non-Catholic Christians claim they only use the bible. They also have traditions passed down and their services are not identical to those of early Christians either--not close.

Answer 4

Isn't that say "traditions" but does not say "oral traditions"?

And the context seems to be that it is the Apostles who are instructing them about the "traditions" of other Christians in other communities, etc.?

Apostolic Succession is NOT The same as the Apostles. Not in the RC, nor Church of England, nor Mormon, nor any of the modern-day "apostolic" churches.

Answer 5

That's what it says. I often wonder what "Bible-only" Christians think St. Paul and St. Polycarp and St. Ignatius did BEFORE there WAS a Bible?? Or, do they think that St. Timothy and St. Luke went running around on missionary journeys with a nice, new, leather-bound KJV under their arm?

Answer 6

those born again people who say catholics aren't christians have been brainwashed, and don't read the whole book, just the sections that support their beilefs. Most focus on revelation, and the words of paul, instead of the works of Jesus.

Answer 7

I am sorry for saying you were a troll in my question. I was thinking of somebody else. I take it back.

Answer 8

Are you aware of how and when therse "traditions" came into effect. Here is a list of the unbiblical ones.


Dr. Boettner then gives us "Some Roman Catholic Heresies And Inventions" and the dates that these alleged "Apostolic" traditions were added to Roman Catholic theology &endash;
* Prayers for the dead, began about A.D. 300
* Making the sign of the cross 300
* Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images 375
* The Mass, as a daily celebration 394
* Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term "Mother of God" first applied to her by the Council of Ephesus 431
* Priests began to dress differently from laymen 500
* Extreme Unction 526
* The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I 593
* Latin used in prayer and worship, imposed by Gregory I 600
* Prayer directed to Mary, dead saints and angels, about 600
* Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III 607
* Kissing the pope's foot, began with pope Constantine 709
* Worship of the cross, images and relics, authorized in 786
* Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest 850
* Canonization of dead saints, first by pope John XV 995
* The Mass, developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory in the 11th century
* Celibacy of the priesthood, decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand) 1079
* The Rosary, mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit 1090
* Sale of Indulgences 1190
* Transubstantiation, proclaimed by pope Innocent III 1215
* Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to
God, instituted by pope Innocent III, in Lateran Council 1215
* Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia 1229
* Purgatory proclaimed a dogma by Council of Florence 1439
* The doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed 1439
* Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent 1545
* Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent 1546
* Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, proclaimed by pope Pius IX 1854
* Syllabus of Errors, proclaimed by pope Pitts IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion,conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the pope's temporal authority over all civil rulers 1864
* Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council 1870
* Public Schools condemned by pope Pius XI 1930
* Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death), proclaimed by pope Pius XII 1950
* Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church, by pope Paul VI 1965

And then Dr. Boettner concludes:
Add to these many others: monks - nuns -monasteries - convents - forty days Lent - holy week - Palm Sunday - Ash Wednesday - All Saints day - Candlemas day - fish day - meat days - incense - holy oil - holy palms - Christopher medals - charms - novenas - and still others.
There you have it - the melancholy evidence of Rome's steadily increasing departure from the simplicity of the Gospel, a departure so radical and far-reaching at the present time (1965) that it has produced a drastically anti-evangelical church. It is clear beyond possibility of doubt that the Roman Catholic religion as now practiced is the outgrowth of centuries of error. Human inventions have been substituted for Bible truth and practice. Intolerance and arrogance have replaced the love and kindness and tolerance that were the distinguishing qualities of the first century Christians, so that now in Roman Catholic countries Protestants and others who are sincere believers in Christ but who do not acknowledge the authority of the pope are subject to all kinds of restrictions and in some cases even forbidden to practice their religion. The distinctive attitude of the present day Roman Church was fixed largely by the Council of Trent (1545-1563), with its more than 100 anathemas or curses pronounced against all who then or in the future would dare to differ with its decisions.

Answer 9

yes but is doesnt say the pope can do it ,and he creates things not carries on tradition, nor does it mention papal infalibility

Answer 10

oral teaching refers to teaching the word...this just undid your entire argument without me even having to try