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How can you prove me that Jesus was born on Dec 25 if it is not written in the bible? After a LOT of research I found that that christmas is a pagan celebration, but many christinas celebrate it then I am asking you 'Is Christmas a celebration based on the Bible?'

2006-12-04 05:03:11 · 37 answers · asked by Monica 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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It's not biblically based at all. Most people already know it, but many people like to think that God would want them to have fun, even if it means pagan celebration. They think that lying to their children about Santa Clause, going into debt over gifts, eating and drinking too much, celebrating Jesus' "birthday" when he never even did - is what really matters. They see it as a time to get together with their well neglected families.

2006-12-04 05:09:54 · answer #1 · answered by CHRISTINA 4 · 3 3

The Gospel accounts indicate that Jesus was born before the winter season:
Luke 2:8 "Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night." {Sheep were never in the field by night in Palestine after the third week of October.}

Despite the beliefs about Christ that the birth stories expressed, the church did not observe a festival for the celebration of the event until the 4th century. The date was chosen to counter the pagan festivities connected with the winter solstice; since 274, under the emperor Aurelian, Rome had celebrated the feast of the "Invincible Sun" [or Saturnalia] on December 25.

Though the substitution of Christmas for the pagan festival cannot be proved with certainty, it remains the most plausible explanation for the dating of Christmas.

Man's customs and traditions, even if heartfelt, are not recognized by God as true worship:
Mark 7:6-7, Matthew 15:9 "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites...in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the traditions of men...thus making the word of God of none effect."

2006-12-04 05:14:53 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Jesus was NOT born on Dec 25. That's been pretty thoroughly proven, simply because the shepherds don't tend their flocks out in the fields of Israel in December.

The celebration was coopted from the pagans for Christmas because the Yule celebration was seen as a time of rebirth and new hope. It is Biblically based only because the Christians stole it and rewrote the meaning behind the holiday to suit their book.

2006-12-04 05:13:43 · answer #3 · answered by triviatm 6 · 0 0

"In regard to the day of Jesus’ birth, as early as Hippolytus (A.D. 165–235) it was said to be December 25, a date also set by John Chrysostom (A.D. 345–407) whose arguments prevailed in the Eastern Church. There is nothing improbable about a mid-winter birth. Luke 2:8 tells us that the shepherds’ flocks were kept outside when Jesus was born. This detail might favor a date between March and November when such animals would normally be outside. But the Mishnah (m. sûeqal. 7.4) suggests that sheep around Bethlehem might also be outside during the winter months (Hoehner). Therefore, though there is no certainty, it appears that Jesus was born somewhere between 4–6 B.C., perhaps in mid-winter. Both the traditional Western date for Christmas (Dec. 25) and the date observed by the Armenian Church (Jan. 6) are equally possible. The biblical and extra-biblical historical evidence is simply not specific enough to point decisively to either traditional date. The celebration of the nativity is attested in Rome as early as A.D. 336 and this celebration also involved recognizing January 6 as Epiphany, the day the Magi visited Jesus." [NT:DictJG, s.v. 'birth of jesus']

"The exact day of Jesus birth' is unknown. The Gnostic Basilidians in Egypt (late second century) commemorated Jesus' baptism on January 6, and by the early fourth century many Christians in the East were celebrating both his nativity and baptism then....In 274 Emperor Aurelian decreed December 25 as the celebration of the 'Unconquerable Sun," the first day in which there was a noticeable increase in light after the winter solstice. The earliest mention of a Feast of the Nativity is found in a document composed in 336. Some feel Constantine (who died in 337) may have selected this day for Christmas because of a deep-seated respect for the popular pagan solstice festival. Others argue that the date was chosen as a replacement for it, that it, to honor the 'Sun of Righteousness.' Firmly established in the West within a few decades, another century passed before the Eastern church adopted December 25...The only holdout was the Armenian church, which still observes the nativity on January 6." [TK:104f]

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat.html

2006-12-04 05:11:25 · answer #4 · answered by Bruce 3 · 1 0

Using dec 25 as Jesus' birthday was a convenience used by early christians as they spread their religion to the pagans. Many pagans already had 'birth of god' celebrations on dec 25 already, so adopting the date made the sell a lot easier.

The story of Jesus' birth states that it occurred during a time when the Roman governor had called for a census of the people. The Romans were not stupid and Judea, being at the edge of the Roman empire, was not a good place to upset the natives who had recently rebelled. It is likely the Romans called for the census to take place during one of the Jewish pilgrimage festivals..as it was the norm for all Jewish men, at least, to travel to Jerusalem for these festivals. Being that a very pregnant Mary was with him, it is most likely that it was the Succoth festival that they were travelling to. If so, that would put Jesus' actual birthdate somewhere between sept 13 and october 20...give or take a few days.

2006-12-04 05:10:28 · answer #5 · answered by mzJakes 7 · 1 1

Christmas is not in the Old Testament and Dec 25 was an arbitrary date

When was Jesus Born?
Best Guess: September 29, 5 B.C.

Want the details? Read more below & go to the website listed

Biblical scholars readily tell us that it was most likely NOT on December 25th, A.D.

2006-12-04 05:10:08 · answer #6 · answered by sushimaven 4 · 1 0

No, actually Christmas is the winter solstice (I'm not sure of the spelling) and the Romans felt it needed to be celebrated, the Christians under the Romans wanted a holiday to celebrate their beliefs, so the Romans said "why not combine the two?" (those probably weren't there words but whatever) so thus came the alleged birth of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the son of God.

2006-12-04 05:16:22 · answer #7 · answered by Haz the Preacher 2 · 0 0

Nope there is no proof. And yes, it was actually a pagan celebration. Allthough no one knows when it was forced to be changed by christians. Just like Samhain (which we now call Halloween) an ancient celtic ritual. Pagan is not devil worship, it was simply the truest form of thanking and believeing in the true MAKER. (ex. the cave people worshipped the sun for giving light, etc etc).

Where as, christianity, a religion was actually created by power/money hungry male dominant society. Not exactly what Jesus had in mind. So i'd say that it was chosen years after he even died. It is a mystery. I love christmas & I love jesus & Santa Claus. The only truth is that, Jesus was alive though, but never really appreciated for what he tried to teach, preach or did. They spat on him for what he was.

And the bible was handpicked, and not by Jesus.

PS: The people, thats us. Only we are true believers, not the pope (not all) or the man who is higher than his position. (if there ever was one).

2006-12-04 05:28:18 · answer #8 · answered by sreesh 3 · 0 1

I doubt that there are any Christians, or at least there must be very few, who actually believe Jesus was born December 25th. Since we don't know his date of birth, we simply choose to celebrate his birth on the date that most of western civilization set for that. It really makes no difference what other religions might have used that time to celebrate (mid winter is an ideal time for celebrations of any sort: breaks the monotony and depression)-
As a believer who believes in sharing his faith, I think Christmas time is an idel time for sharing my faith, when people are more open to it.
If you don't want to celebrate Christmas, there's no problem with that either. God has not commanded you to either celebrate it or not celebrate it.
EDIT:
The important thing is not so much when you celebrate it, but how you celebrate it.
If it means drunken revelry, selfish binging (hey, it's quite alright to have a feast, and eat a couple of hearty meals, I'm talking about constant binging for days on end). God wants us to have fun, but He also wants us to be conscious of Him and of those who suffer hunger.
If it means only gift exchanging, with expensive gifts that we can't afford..
if it means family fights...
if it means not going to church or doing anything spiritual around that time because we are too caught up in other things.
then we would do well to forget Christmas - because whe are definitely not celebrating Him.

2006-12-04 05:11:02 · answer #9 · answered by Mr Ed 7 · 0 1

Chances are Jesus was not born on that day of the year, they didn't even use the same calender back then. Christmas is celebrated during the traditional winter solstice festival time of the year for reasons this author doesn't know. My point is that if you don't want to celebrate Christmas, then don't. That is your choice. Just don't try to push your believes on people that don't share them.

2006-12-04 05:10:22 · answer #10 · answered by smoothie 5 · 0 1

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