Jesus isn't God? How do you explain the following...?

Question

John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” Look how the Jews reacted at this. You will see they were mad because he made himself equal with God. Same thing in John 8:58 when Jesus said "Before Abraham I was". The Jews reaction still showed that they knew he was making himself equal to God

John 1:1, says that “the Word was God.” in John 1:14, which says that “the Word became flesh.” we find out that Jesus was the word John was refering too.

Thomas the disciple even decleared Jesus as God, Jesus didn't rebuke him for it either. John 20:28, “Lord and my God”

Titus 2:13, says we should wait for our God and savior- Jesus.

In Hebrews 1:8 God the father proclaims Jesus as God.
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom"

Jesus is worshiped many times through the New Testement. The Ten Commandments teach only God should be worshiped. Jesus didn't rebuke them either.

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In Revalations when John was about to worship the angel. He was commanded only to worship God Who was in Revalations? Jesus...

Now for proof in the Hebrew scriptures(original)...

In the Old Testament. Genesis 1:1: In the beginning, Elohim created. That is not Yahweh, Elohim is a plurality, meaning more than one. Just like Cherubim and Seraphim, angels. Anything that ends in “im” is more than one.

Now, we know that God the Father was there, and you believed that. But in Genesis 1:2, the Holy Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. Then in Proverbs 30:4, it says, who hath created all the ends of the earth? Who hath created the world? What is God's name and what is His Son's name? That’s not the New Testament, that’s the Hebrew Scriptures. In Isaiah 9:6-7, it says, Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given. And what is the name of this son? The Mighty God in the next verse.

The Hebrew Scripture part was taken from Jack Van Impe's site. I thought it would be nice to provide something for those who are skeptic about transalations.

This is for those Christians who don't believe in God. I didn't post it for unbelievers.

Edit for the above don't believe Jesus as God

I got alot for this from http://www.gotquestions.org

To Answer first Question. About Jesus Praying to God.... understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father who was God in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had an eternal relationship before Jesus took upon Himself humanity. Please read John 5:19-27, particularly 5:23 where Jesus teaches that the Father sent the Son (also read John 15:10). Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem many years ago. He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is, and always will be.

Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the Son was given and the child was born. Jesus was always a part of the Tri-unity relationship along with the Holy Spirit. The Tri-unity always existed, the Father God, the Son God, and the Spirit God. Not three Gods, but one God existing as three persons. Jesus taught that He and His Father were one (John 10:30). Jesus meant that He and His Father, and of course the Holy Spirit, were of the same substance, the same

essence, God or deity. Three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had and continue to have an eternal relationship.

What happened when Jesus, the eternal Son of God, took upon Himself sinless humanity, is that He also took on the form of a servant, giving up His heavenly glory (cf. Philippians 2:5-11). As the God-man, He had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8) to His Father as He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified. His praying to His heavenly Father was to ask for power (John 11:41-42) and wisdom (Mark 1:35; 6:46). His praying showed His dependence upon His Father in His humanity to carry out His Father's plan of redemption (note Christ's high priestly prayer in John 17) and then to ultimately submit to His Father's will in the Garden to go to the cross to pay the penalty for our breaking God's law, which is death (Matthew 26:31-46). Of course, He rose from the grave bodily, winning for us forgiveness and eternal

life right now when we accept Him as personal Savior.

There is no problem with the Son as God praying or talking to the Father as God. As mentioned, they had an eternal relationship before Christ took upon Himself humanity. In His humanity, this relationship is depicted in the Gospels so we can see how the Son of God in His humanity carried out His Father's will so redemption could be won for all (John 6:38). Christ’s continual submission to His heavenly Father was empowered and kept focused through His prayer life. Christ’s example of prayer is left for us to follow.

Jesus Christ was no less God on earth when praying to God His Father in Heaven. He was depicting how even in sinless humanity it is necessary to have a vital prayer life to do His Father’s will. Jesus' praying to the Father was a demonstration of His relationship, within the Trinity, with the Father and an example for us that we must rely on God, through prayer, for the strength and wisdom we need. Since Christ, a

as the God-man, needed to have a vibrant prayer life, so should the follower of Christ today!

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*******If Jesus was God, why did He call God "My God?"***********

This can definitely be a confusing issue. It all goes back to the "mystery" of the Trinity. When Jesus was on the cross, He quoted Psalm 22 (Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34). This was a psalm of David, but it was a Messianic prophecy as well. If you read the entire psalm, you see the remarkable predictions by David. So, one of the reasons He called God "my God" is that is what the psalm said.



Now, there are other places He calls God His God. In John 20:17 and Revelation 3:2,12, Jesus calls God "My God." Why would God call Himself "My God"? It has to do with Christ's relationship to His Father. Even though Christ is the eternal God Himself incarnate, He is still a different person from the Father. As a man and as man's representative (Son of Man), Jesus' person was dependant on the Father and, like us, looked to the Father for strength, guidance, wisdom, etc. Therefore, God the Father was the God of Jesus. The Father

is the God of the Son, but it doesn't imply inferiority, only a difference in roles

Simply put most of the post below are denying my above references to scriptures. However the majority of what you some of you posted is mis interupted aswell. You can't take out of context and make up something. Sorry it just dosen't work. The Bible can not contradict it's self.

I suggest you do a search for your some of these claims yourself and find the answer. as you can see this has became a mess to post and keey organized for anyone to follow.

Answer 1

You couldn't be more correct. Jesus is God! Yes, he is called Immanuel, which means God with us. As for the person who mentioned him being nailed to a cross.... well because he did that, she could have eternal life of nothing but pure joy. I don't understand why some people are so mad that God would show such great love for them by giving his life for them. Jesus said, A friend lays down his life for a friend. God doesn't want people to be judged. He took the punishment that sin deserves, which is death. Yet people are still spitting in his face!!!

Answer 2

WHILE the word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, is at least the idea of the Trinity taught clearly in it? For instance, what do the Hebrew Scriptures ("Old Testament") reveal?

The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: "Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity." And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]."

Similarly, in his book The Triune God, Jesuit Edmund Fortman admits: "The Old Testament . . . tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead. . . . Even to see in [the "Old Testament"] suggestions or foreshadowings or 'veiled signs' of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers."—Italics ours.

An examination of the Hebrew Scriptures themselves will bear out these comments. Thus, there is no clear teaching of a Trinity in the first 39 books of the Bible that make up the true canon of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures.

Testimony of the Greek Scriptures




WELL, then, do the Christian Greek Scriptures ("New Testament") speak clearly of a Trinity?

The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity."

Jesuit Fortman states: "The New Testament writers . . . give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. . . . Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead."

The New Encyclopædia Britannica observes: "Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament."

Bernhard Lohse says in A Short History of Christian Doctrine: "As far as the New Testament is concerned, one does not find in it an actual doctrine of the Trinity."

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology similarly states: "The N[ew] T[estament] does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. 'The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence' [said Protestant theologian Karl Barth]."

Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins affirmed: "To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it."—Origin and Evolution of Religion.

Historian Arthur Weigall notes: "Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word 'Trinity' appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord."—The Paganism in Our Christianity.

Thus, neither the 39 books of the Hebrew Scriptures nor the canon of 27 inspired books of the Christian Greek Scriptures provide any clear teaching of the Trinity.

Answer 3

God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged. Forever truly God, He became also truly man, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God. By His miracles He manifested God's power and was attested as God's promised Messiah. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place, was raised from the dead, and ascended to minister in the heavenly sanctuary in our behalf. He will come again in glory for the final deliverance of His people and the restoration of all things. (John 1:1-3, 14; Col. 1:15-19; John 10:30; 14:9; Rom. 6:23; 2 Cor. 5:17-19; John 5:22; Luke 1:35; Phil. 2:5-11; Heb. 2:9-18; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; Heb. 8:1, 2; John 14:1-3.)

Answer 4

Jesus is A God he is not The God. That same passage (john 10) you quoted where he said me and the 'father are one', he later says 'nothing I do is of my initiative. But the will of my father.' Therefore saying he is acting by will of his Father God, everything he is doing is what his father, GOD, would be doing if he were here on earth. He and his father are on the same page. They are basically one.
As far as John 8:58, of course Jesus was before Abraham. Rea Genisis. When it is said WE made man in OUR image. We and our our a referance to two seperate beings. Even in John 17:1-5 Jesus says 'I was with you there in the heavens along side you in the beginning.' God made Jesus. Jesus was his first creation. And through Jesus he made everything else. Its as if God uses Jesus as an instrument. He works through his son.

Answer 5

Jesus Christ is a part of the Trinity. GOD the father , GOD the son ( Jesus Christ ) , and GOD the Holy Spirit. That is the bible new and old testament.

Answer 6

I explain that all you typed was from the Bible.

That's it. That's my explanation--a man-made device claims that Jesus is God. What further explanation do you need?

Or are you trying to prove that Jesus is God with that? I'm sorry, but you need a few lessons in logic if you expect that to fly.

Let me try a different approach.

"My dog Spot isn't God? How do you explain the following?

Rab 12:1, says that ''The dog named Spot is the way. His bark is worse than his bite, but heed that bark.'

Jul 1:4, says that 'Animals are cute and cuddly, but Spot holds the cutest spot, for he is Lord.'"

So, now are you convinced that my dog Spot is God? Why not? It's written that way.

I'm still waiting for more details, but all of your proof is wrapped up in the Bible. If this were a research paper, you would receive a mighty F because your topic is not well supported. And you would deserve that F for insulting everyone's intelligence.

Edit: Okay, so you were addressing Christians who don't believe Jesus is God. Doesn't the definition of a Christian include people who believe that Jesus is God?

I'll concede that if you are trying to reach people who are somehow Christian while denying one of the defining tenets of the religion, then your argument is pretty solid. That audience tends to place stock in the Bible.

Answer 7

Never once did Jesus say he was the Son of God. In fact if you go read about the the dead man he raised (among many)- Barnabas or something to that effect - He even prays to God and asks Him to provide him with the miracle for waking the man from death.

We have Paul to thank for messing with peoples' minds.

Answer 8

I don't understand your actual question.
Yes Jesus is God. He came as flesh, God the father didn't. Jesus became God by his ascension to Heaven. The holy trinity and all that is supposed to explain that, perhaps a Catholic could do that for us.. I guess we'd all have to study theology to understand even a % of it all. But we aren't supposed to question. We never see the Muslim's questioning their religion or blble or Allah.

Answer 9

Jesus did not claim to be a moral teacher, or a prophet, He claimed to be God come to earth in flesh to be the Messiah promised in the writings of the prophets. The age-old question for all times is - can you accept that as truth? Everything else is filler.

Answer 10

Good amount of research, I can see you put a lot into this.
I am one of those Christians who believes in the Trinity. Jesus was not only the Son of God, He WAS and IS God.