Honest Christians, can this be possible ?

Question

I am calling for honest Christians, because my subject is little bit long, and I am looking for good Christians.
In an answer to a question about < if there was no religion, can we still have laws? > I got this idea:
God created us and knows the laws we need.
without religion will be just darkness, wars, opression where the strongers "eat" the weak, the rich get richer, poor get poorer.
just go back ih History and look how was the world before Islam.
nothing but empires, plagues, diseases,......darck ages.

without religion and know that there is a day of jugement and paradise and hellfire, we would kill each others like MAD MAX movie. we will live like animals, fighting for food, water, oil, lands.....

No respect for nobody, lies, stealing, no security, no rights, no dignity, no marriage just adultery, drinking, drugs,gambling.....all evil things allowed.

religion is peace of mind, peace in the world, security,....
in Islam many of the evil things are not allowed.

so think about it, any religion making this things allowed for some reason, can't be a religion from God. (specialy the Christians who say that Jesus died for our sin, so they allow many of these things).that's the truth.
God is not the author of confusion, God is wise, just. justice for all. God is a source for peace and balance in this world and most of the beliefs do the opposite.
the prophet Muhammad said that the jews were divided on 71 sects, the Christians were divided on 72 sects, and the muslms will be divided on 73 < meaning more than others > and it is happening.
he said all of them in hellfire only one.
the companions asked, who messenger of God?
he said the one who follow my way and my companion's way.

in another narration and in the Quran also, all the prophets are the same are from God, have the same teachings and their followers died on the truth. but most of the one after them lost the right way because the books of God were altered, the laws changed to man's

that's why God kept sending prophets after prophets.
Even now, I am muslim, I believe in God as the only God, and I try to follow his commands, I believe in all his books in all his prophets < Jesus peace be upon him was one of them>.
If you were to understand my message, we will all be united, under one God, and God would guide us to the right way if we have good intention.
But If we keep arguing, mocking and having fun, we will be the loosers. we all have the same mind, the same brain, the same heart. we are human at first,we can understand each others and find the truth with logic and open heart, not being biased and closed minded and let the news and propagandas by some political individues , biased minded, follower of satan, guide us and make us fight each other because they are looking for power and we pay the price.
let's listen to each other and forget about politics and war. think about yourselves before we die and regret for eternity.

I would like to talk to Christian first, because if 1.8 billinon chr. + 1.6 billions muslims = more believer in the world, more peace.
lets be honnest and study both religions and find where we can agree step by step.:
1st step:
Muslims say that God is one but 1 person.
Christians believe in God but in 3 persons.
So lets go to the 2nd step.
where is the proof?
Muslims have the Quran.
Christians have the Bible.
The Quran is 1400 years old, one version, one language, no addition no deletion never.just one book.
The Bible is < there is no original, many versions, other language just translations, other books....
Note : I am not mocking or belitteling Christians belief.
Here we can start thinking and talking and discussing with open mind and find the truth. and I think that Christians has to listen to muslims because At this step, the proof from muslims is stronger.
I study the Bible and I know many things, Christians also need to do so with the teaching of Islam.

Also for better understanding, lets read the Quran then read the Bible and you will understand many things, and you will see that it's the same God who is talking to us.

What is the next steps that we can do?
Lets be the first to start peace again in the world and fight our real enemy < satan >

I need Honnest people to continue this dialogue.
Peace

"WellTrave..." Know that God is just and wise, this is not religion which make problems, its ignorance of religion and bad leaders who govern muslim or christian countries.

I agree completly with you. we need to know that religion or laws from God are free from what is happening in the world, the religion is not the source of problems but it's us.
our arrogance,
we are human, and it is not a crime to do a mistake, but the crime is to be dumb, blind in judging others without knowledge.

Answer 1

Devil’s Death

“Mahatma Budh” left not any “Mahatma Budh” after him to be another “Mahatma Budh” to serve the Lord.
“Muhammad” left not any “Muhammad” after him to be another “Muhammad” to serve the Lord and “Jesus” left not any “Jesus” after him to be another “Jesus” to serve the Lord.
(Peace be upon all of them).

Messengers never appointed a leader of generations after them as a link between people and GOD. They simply conveyed the message of GOD to people and tried to establish the direct link of God’s servant with GOD, and clearly preached that there is no one (thing or a person) between GOD and man. And it’s evident from these words, “There is no god but GOD.” And whatsoever is considered as an essential link (even a holy thing or a holy man or an image or imagination) between GOD and man is an idol, made by the people.




Everyone’s Personal Matter

Messengers of GOD never left behind any sectarian system, nor did they appoint any one as a leader to establish the sectarian system. There were messengers who were kings themselves and there were messengers who served the Lord under kings in accordance with the commandments of Lord. And they neither divided the people of GOD on the basis of religion nor made the sects which we see today and they just called the people of GOD to GOD, equally. Messaging was their mission which they accomplished. And they preached people to have faith in One Alone Lord to become good and leave evil deeds. They themselves were good humans and even prayed for those who hurt them. And they did their job peacefully and always declared that there is no compulsion in believing the belief or the religion. GOD belongs to every-one as a GOD, and GOD is GOD for everyone, whether one believes it or not. And everyone is answerable for one’s self, individually, in the presence of GOD about one’s faith. And no one is responsible for others on the Day of Judgment.
Religion is a personal earning of good and bad deeds, after believing in One Alone GOD and after receiving the commandments of the Lord. And GOD will Judge everyone’s record according to one’s personal book. As a conclusion, we can say that sectarian system is a Satan made system and every one who preaches a sect is a Satan in fact.

Time of Devil’s Death

Today, in this world there are many religions which have divided the people and have made them worst enemies of each-other. All this is due to the reliance in messengers rather than the faith in One Alone Almighty GOD. Messengers put their efforts to unite the people through faith and belief in One Alone Almighty GOD. Belief in One Alone GOD can be the only remedy to unite all believers of GOD, without any religious discrimination. Thus the oldest religion will emerge as the most modern religion of the world. Faith in One Alone GOD and good deeds are enough to solve the problem of salvation in the presence of the Most Merciful GOD our Lord where there will be no need of saviours. We must have faith in the Saviour of all messengers rather than making a saviour other than GOD. Clearly it’s a proven reality and a Mega fact that religious discrimination is satanic. History has proven that religious discrimination put all the humanity in loss. We must follow the message of all messengers to have faith in One Alone GOD to be united and to remove the Satan which is prevailing in worship places (prayer houses) and teaching hatred of each-other by calling the people to the self-made unreal saviours other than the real Saviour One Alone Almighty GOD.
Converting a faith from one “other than GOD” to another “other than GOD” is an effort in vain. Like preachers of sects demand the change of saviours and they call it a change of faith. And the faith they teach is not the faith preached by the messengers. The real faith is to believe in Almighty GOD only, as its mention in records left by the messengers.
Under heaven there is no salvation without:
Believing One and Alone GOD.
Following the commandments of Lord, the God Almighty, in every way of life.
And that was the religion followed by the people of ancient times and that will be the religion for the people of present time. And there is no religion at all, other than the religion preached by the messengers.
“Houses of Worship and Prayers” must be known as houses of worship and prayers only. And One Alone GOD must be mentioned in all houses. Houses of the Lord must not be used to preach any sectarianism or lord other than the GOD. And every-one must become a servant of one alone GOD for one’s salvation. And all people should become one in the faith of Lord ALMIGHTY, and must remove the satanic sectarian thoughts introduced by the devil in them. It’s the time of devils death and awakening of man for the religion of One Alone GOD.

MISTAKE OF ALL THE NATIONS

God sent Prophets to establish Gods Lordship on earth and people established the Prophets instead of God Our Lord and that is a mega fact which everyone must know because this is the truth which will come up eventually in everybody’s mind on the Day of Judgement.

Everyone knows that God Commands, respect your parents and this Commandment dies with the death of the parents and one can never serve, obey and please his parents after their death in any case. It is a mega fact that the people of the earth are still worshipping the Prophets even after their death and departure. While the concerned commandments died with them and the Commandment concerning God always remains alive because God is Eternal, Holy and Ever-Living, The Creator of life and death. The last mega fact is that the God Our Lord will perish each and everything because everything is mortal and God will remain God even after that.


PROPHETS AND THEIR MISSION
(Mega Facts)

God Our Lord sent Prophets to establish God and they did so but after them satan came and established the Prophets and malafide their efforts. Therefore, all nations not only consider their Prophets as saviours but also worship them besides God. And hardly know that they are going and doing things against the 1st Commandment:
“Worship no god but Me!
Do not make for yourselves images of anything
In heaven or on earth or in the water under the earth
Do not bow down to any idol or worship it
For I am the Lord your God and
I tolerate no rivals.”


ESSENTIAL FOR SALVATION

Only 4 things which are very common and essential in all religions will help in the matters of salvation on the Day of Judgement.

1. Belief in One Alone God.
2. Non-belief in unreal gods and saviours, other than God our Lord.
3. Good deeds according to the Commandments.
4. Belief in the judgement of the Day of Judgement.

Only love with One Alone God will ensure success on the day which will weaken all other than the righteous ones. All others who believe in more than these 4 things will find themselves casted in hell one way or the other.

Since all the sects are sects due to their own concocted beliefs and religious norms therefore one must leave them all and become a true believer of One Alone God Only and must follow the Commandments according to the Commandments of God revealed in all the Holy Books.

PRAISE GOD OUR LORD ONLY

According to the teachings of the Prophets of God, we must:

1. Praise God Only
2. Worship God Only
3. All Honour belongs to God Only
4. Obey God Only
5. Serve God Only

And all of us must have fear of the Day of Judgement because it is the Day of God Our Lord Only and in the presence of God, no one will be saviour or intercessor.
BEWARE PLEASE, all who turn away from all these teachings of the Prophets is totally satanic, never mind who says and who hears.

Answer 2

Honest Christians, yes it is possible! I personally know many and am quite happy that these same people consider me the same.

However, I must ask this: If the Quran is one language for 1400 years, how can it still be read? Languages change as do the meanings of words. Therefore, what was written 1400 years ago won't have the same meaning today. A good example is the word "Indian". Originally it was used to describe people from India. Then it was used to describe the natives Christopher Colombus found in North America. Now, it is considered by Native Americans to be a racial slur. And we are only talking about 500 years and not nearly 3 times that amount of time. Old English is "foreign" to those of us who speak modern English. This is a natural progression of language. The only time a language does not change is when it is a "Dead Language" like Latin. Once no one speaks this language in everyday life, it ceases to change.

I say that at least we KNOW the Bible has changed and has been altered. This is why prayer is necessary for understanding when studying any scripture or religious text. I respect your beliefs. And I must clarify something you stated about Christianity. We have one God. Many Christian faiths believe that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one in the same, one being. But many others believe they are 3 seperate beings but one in purpose with God the Father being the "top dog" so to speak. We pray to him. Catholics and only a handful of other Christian faiths pray to others besides Him.

And the interesting thing about God is that His name is the same between Christian, Jewish and Muslim faiths, just said in 2 different languages: Eloheim or Elohi in Hebrew and Allah in Arabic (I believe I am correct in the language of the Quran.) Therefore, I say we do worship the same God.

I have read parts of the Quran that have been translated into English and it says some things just as the Bible does. However, I would never convert.

Answer 3

I applaud your attempts at peace, and I understand and accept that Islam is genuinely a peaceful religion. All the Muslims that I know are the same as everyone else - ordinary, peaceful people.
However, you cannot deny that many wars and atrocities are committed in the name of God - before and since Islam began.
In some countries, men claiming the right under Muslim law beat and subjugate women, treating them as second class citizens, preventing them from attending schools, not allowing them to testify in court against their attackers. Men have corrupted a good and peaceful religion, as they have done with Christianity, and use their malevolent actions to suppress others.

In order to change the ways of men, you must change their way of thinking. There are some Islamic leaders who are preaching to Muslim men and women that it is justifiable to kill innocent people - mostly other Muslims. Too often those who preach peace have been ignored, silenced or killed.
You will not gain peace until you can convince the preachers of death that there is no reward for those that kill innocents.

I wish you well in your quest.
But I fear it is doomed to fail.

Peace be with you.

Answer 4

yes I think its true with out the 10 comandments men would still be little better than wild animals. God is trying to save his people but mohammed twisted his message. the bible is write not the quran have you read both. Jesus is Gods gift of salvation and the only way to heaven. May God guide you this day.

Answer 5

"God created us and knows the laws we need.
without religion will be just darkness, wars, opression where the strongers "eat" the weak, the rich get richer, poor get poorer."

*Without* religion? Gee, seems to me that's what we have WITH religion. I guess you've forgotten that the "dark ages" in Europe were a DIRECT RESULT of the christian church's stranglehold on thinking, that your religion and christians are currently engaging in several wars and lots of terrorism all over the world, that the current "christian" president of the US spends most of his time making the rich richer and the poor poorer, not to mention the same from the Saudi rulers...that we have plagues, diseases, empires...

What has helped us make progress out of dark ages, given us cures for disease, and holds out hope for an end to ignorance and adherence to dogma over reason is SCIENCE. Science that searches for fact and truth, without falling back on superstition, myth, and supernatural causes. Science that requires proof, evidence, observation, critical & logical thinking, and repeatability of tests -- all of which are anathema to religion.

Sorry, friend, you start with a false premise and go on to an incorrect conclusion. You could really use some science education to give you some critical thinking skills. Use that brain of yours instead of letting others wash it for you.

Answer 6

I am a Christian Jehovah's Witness and I believe in one God. Are you aware of this religion in your country? E-mail me. I will talk more with you.

Answer 7

You are confused about Christianity. We are not aloud to do these things you talk about. They are sins, and we are to avoid them like the plague. Jesus came to forgive us our sins, not so we could sin more but so we would avoid further sin and follow Him. You say "in Islam MANY of the evil things are not allowed." In Christianity no evil is allowed to exist in our life if we want to enter Heaven.

Answer 8

I agree with you we shouldn't be worrying about what we are worried about now. Life is to fragile for fighting but we do it anyway. Politics and wars are just a cruel man's game.

Answer 9

do prides of lions have gods? no, and yet they have laws and functional structures. same with any animal that lives in groups. dogs, wolves, sheep. they all have rules on how they engage. it is not impossible to think that maybe humans have this instinct as well and we just call it god. love=loyalty. and devotion. all pack animals have this. you know what doesn't have this? loner animals such as lizards and snakes. that which you think is the greatest feeling on earth is really just your natural instinct to fit in with your fellow humans, and even procreate to keep the species alive and thriving. tell me that you don't think the lioness loves the king of the pride. we all share the same instincts, we just give them more romantic names for ourselves.

Answer 10

too long to read.

have a nice day.