If something as simple as a ticking watch had to have a maker.....?

Question

then why doesn't our intricately complex mechanical universe need a maker???
I hope some of you put a little more thought into your answer than "the spaghetti monster made it"...but if that's all you can come up with, then by all means, go for it.

No "get out of logic free" cards. The logic is that IF God created everything, then he created time.The fact that time had a beginning doesnt make it necessary that God had a beginning. IF God created time, then he transcends time.Logically, if time had a beginning, then the universe had a beginning, whether or not the multiverse theory is correct, because the universe is within the bounds of time.

If evolution explains how simple life evolved into complex life, it still doesn't explain how life began. No evidence suggests that inorganic matter has ever begun to live in any capacity.

Dawkins made up an elaborate scenario for the purpose of showing that a designer isn't the answer.He argues that the evolution of the eye isn't as improbable as it seems because it happened. Not very convincing.

If time had a beginning, so did everything that came after it.What are the chances that everything came from nothing AND that matter just began to live,no matter how much time passed?

Answer 1

Excellent...!!!

Answer 2

If you argue from complexity, then you must continue with that logic and then ask how a maker complex enough to make complex life could not have also had a maker.

God does not get a "get out of logic free" card.

Second, the two have no comparison. Evolution explains how complex life comes into being. It is not by being 'put together' as a watch is put together in a factory, but by a very slow and gradual process.



Third, this is a good explanation of how evolution results in complexity from Dawkins -

Mount Improbable is a metaphorical mountain. The height ofthat mountain stands for that very improbability. So on the top ofthe mountain, you can imagine perched the most complicated organ you can think of. It might be the human eye. And one side of the mountain has a steep cliff, a steep vertical precipice. And youstand at the foot of the mountain and you gaze up at this complicated thing at the heights, and you say, that couldn’t have come about by chance, that’s too improbable. And that’s what is the meaning of the vertical slope. You could no more get that by sheer chance than you could leap from the bottom of the cliff to the top of the cliff in one fell swoop.

But if you go around the other side of the mountain, you find that there’s not a steep cliff at all. There’s a slow, gentle gradient, a slow, gentle slope, and getting from the bottom of the mountain to the top is an easy walk. You just saunter up it putting one step in front of the other, one foot in front of the other.

Answer 3

and who and what explained to you the complex nature of the universe? the answer would be science because up until a few centuries ago people still believed the earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it and also that the earth was flat and etc.....you seem to except the opposite as truth only because science has proved these facts to be wrong by absolute evidence so to deny them would be clearly irrational but up until it was proven it was religion that denied the idea. I am agnostic and really don't know if there is a god or not but I know that religions have preached many things with in the end have been proven by science to be completly wrong. The belief in an omnipotent creator may also fit that mold.

Answer 4

You assume that the universe has to have a maker, I have never seen anyone make snow or the wind, it just could have always been there undergoing great cycles of big bangs/end crushes. All because science has not found an answer goes not mean there is no reason why the universe can't exist without a god.

Answer 5

Probably because the Universe can be explained as being able to have come about by means of chaos theory and mathematics.

There is nothing that requires machining and placing of specific components in the Universe in order for it to work. A watch, on the other hand requires a number of machines that work AGAINST nature and entropy in order for it to have come about, and then actually function.

The Universe can be explained in a way that requires no specific guidance or intervention.

That said, I'm not an Atheist, and I believe that we have eternal spirits, and that some deity did stir the pot, so to speak, to cause life to begin. I don't believe that the Universe, as a whole required a maker to specifically put each planet, star, Quazar and black hole in specific places. He, She, or It, may have caused a "Big Bang, but I don't believe in a Deity that is required to order every single molecule.

Answer 6

We already know that it was a human being who invented/created the watch. No one was there at the onset of human origin, or at the creation of the world. I fully believe that God created the world; HOWEVER, it's not something that belongs, say, in a science classroom...it's a weak argument to say that because it's so intricate & we can't prove otherwise, it must have been God. I think this type of argument dumbs down both religion & science.

Answer 7

If our universe has a maker, then where is he? Who is he? And why is he so easily missed by the millions of people who call themselves atheists and agnostics?

And if everything needs a maker, then who made God? Why does it make sense that something as complicated and complex as a deity came into existence on its own, but the universe couldn't have?

Answer 8

Good grief. You have over two hundred years of reading to catch up with if you're still asking questions like this. You could start with William Paley's 1802 Natural Theology, which you will like very much, and finish with Richard Dawkins's 1986 The Blind Watchmaker, which you won't. Somehow, I don't suppose you'll ever pick up either.

Answer 9

A ticking watch is not as simple as it seems to be, and the complexcity of a human cell is beyond imagination, so i can say that there is a creator who has created us and its not that we have come to existance by co-incedense the
like whn u purchase a cd player you have to refer to its instruction manual written by its maker say sony and only the maker knows its functioning the same way our creator has sent down books to prophets and if u read the Quran Allah has described the exact way a baby is formed is the mother's womb, in the Quran the earth is compared to the egg of an ostrich which is perfectly geosherical, Allah saya in the Quan that the moon does not have its own light but has a reflected light and amny more miracles r there this book was sent down 1400 years ago in the desert of arabia.
thats why 2nd largest population is of muslims and is of the fastest growing

Answer 10

actually a watch doesn't have to have a maker. Just the elements aliging correctly. Anything is possible to occur. Just like lottery numbers eventually with time any combination can occur. If Time is infinite than anything can element combination can occur. A maker isn't needed, but intelligent thought can make things a lot quicker.

Answer 11

Simply put, watches are not organic. The watch analogy is silly.

Living creatures are organic, and do not need a "creator" to have "assembled" them.

We have developed from common ancestors over millions (if not billions) of years.

If you believe in Intelligent Design, then you must believe the "creator" is the most inept being who ever existed, as 99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct. Pretty amazing failure rate!