Is it hateful to say that murder is wrong? Or that rape is wrong? Is a person "intolerant" if they think that lying or stealing is a sin?
I ask this because I see a lot of people on here who seem to think that because many Christians feel that homosexuality is a sin, that we're "hateful" and "intolerant".
Ever heard the saying "love the sinner, hate the sin"? I don't think I'm alone in the feeling that even though it is a Christian's duty (and PRIVILEGE!) to love everyone, we don't have to accept that everything that the Bible says is a sin is just an "alternative lifestyle."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not equating homosexuality with killing somebody, or stealing, or lying, so PLEASE don't read that into this.
Anyway, my real question is, why is it that it's not "hateful" to condemn those things that I mentioned, but it's "bigoted" or "intolerant" to say that homosexuality is a sin?
I have homosexual friends, and I still love them! I just don't agree with their lifestyle.
2006-12-02
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Strange how hardly anybody can answer the question.
ALL of the things I mentioned are sins according to the Bible, which is the foundation of my beliefs.
I'm not expecting people to change, do what you want, I couldn't care less. What I DO care about is that people expect Christians to start denying that such things are sinful. Is that right?
Live how you want, like I said, but don't you DARE expect me to say that everything is acceptable, according to Christianity.
And for the people who said that the Bible says a lot of things, and Christians "pick and choose", that's not necessarily true. The New Testament is for Christians. The Old is for Jews. I follow the New.
Nowhere in the New Testament am I given the right to kill someone, or hate someone. If I was, I wouldn't be a Christian! I am simply acknowledging what the Bible says.
This is where I stand. I may love everyone, but it doesn't mean I have to say that everything is permissible.
2006-12-03
00:38:35 ·
update #1
As for the person who asked me if I would care if there was a guy who raped and murdered a 9 year old, of COURSE I would (even if he seemed "friendly")! People have done so, and it's a SIN. But that does NOT give me the right to hate them. I don't.
But you know, some people are born murderers. Some people are born liars, or thieves. Does that make it right? Not according to my beliefs it doesn't. Some people are born racist. Does that make it right? NO.
2006-12-03
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Homosexuality is a learned behavior resulting from the society one has grown up in. In the nature versus nurture debate, homosexuality lies within the nurture. God would not create a being that cannot help being sinful. We are all sinful, but God does not inplant in people's genetics sin.
You are right, love the sinner, not the sin. Tolerance does not mean you must like or accept what they are doing. You tolerate a crying baby in a resturant, this does not mean you like to hear it crying, it means that you don't go over there and shut it up with force. Homosexuality is not genetic, this is NOT a fact like some would contend with ZERO evidence to back up such audacious claims.
They call you bigoted and hateful because you will not accept and promote their lifestyle. They fear being condemned. This is the society in which we live. If something is not fully accepted as 100% normal, people are insulted into accepting it. Its equivalent to a child's temper tantrum. They can steal their brother's toys all day, but when the mother stops them, they throw a fit. In much the same way, you can see how these other users have thrown a tantrum as well. Some people never grow out of it, and learn any sort of morality. These people are the direct results from lack of dicipline, and it shows.
These same people derile Christianity and the Bible because it doesn't approve of everything they do. They like living in their "lifestyles" and feel threatened by any sort of moral code. This is why, and I hate to say it, but they hate God, they reject his teachings because they would prefer to stay in the lifestyle they are living.
Your question makes a very good, and very accurate statement, but most didn't even read it, and instead labeled you, insulted you, and moved on. Dont become discouraged
2006-12-08 08:54:24
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answered by Anonymous
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Because it's a redundant belief that doesn't apply to the world today. Your Bible is thousands of years old and the world has changed and people understand thigns better, or have grown mroe tolerant because the Bible, especially the Old Testament where this beleif about homosexuality comes from IS intolerant. It condemns homosexuality, un-beleivers, people of different race, people who eat pork and shellfish, people who plant diufferent crops next to each other, and people who disagree with them, no to mention that it beleives slavery is acceptable. I know you're trying to take your moral compass from this book and some parts of it aren't so insensible, we have kept laws aobut theft and murder around, and they have been replicated independantly by non Christian countries because it's a general human consensus that these things are bad.
I fail to understand how you can say you love these people that are gay alongside the ones that are eating a bacon sandwich but still believe they will go to hell for doing so. Your religion has gone through some very different times and needs to adapt. If you no longer agree to slavery despite your Bible advocating it, is accepting homosexuality such a big step?
2006-12-03 07:28:47
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answered by jleslie4585 5
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Our society has told people that if you don't believe things like homosexuality is OK, you are a bad person. This gives the homosexual community the voice to come out and say and do what they want and we are to accept it. The reason that the general public doesn't want to say that it is a sin is because then they would have to admit that they too are sinners and would have to change their lifestyles.
I can't believe that somebody actually compared being gay to somebody being black. Being gay is a lifestyle choice, you may have been born with gay tendencies, but so were child molesters, murders, thief's, rapist. But most people control these things that are wrong and chose a lifestyle in which they don't do these things.
2006-12-03 07:30:20
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answered by Messenger 3
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sweetheart , whether you think it is right or wrong , sin or not ...
being gay is not a choice .... despite your beliefs this is a fact
now if someone is born with these feelings , are they to go the rest of their lives without love ? simply because the type of love they wish is seen as evil ? ....... how can love be evil ? why would God see any love as evil ?
so the reason this is seen as bigoted is that you are choosing to hate someones natural instincts because of words from your book ...
which when you think about it was written at a time when the world needed populated big time ..... times have changed
time for people to move with the times
preacher below .... we are all sinners ... even the homosexuals , but homosexuality is not their sin it is their feelings
2006-12-03 07:29:38
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answered by Peace 7
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I don't understand how "I just don't agree with homosexuals" is any different from "I just don't agree with black people" or "I just don't agree with Jewish people". Just because you think it's wrong, it doesn't mean that you're correct in thinking so. I don't care if the Bible says it's wrong or not -- the Bible says that plenty of other things are wrong, too, but I never see any Christians following THOSE rules. They pick and choose, and "no gay marriage" is just one of the few they've picked.
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The number of people on this forum who actually compare homosexual tendencies to a rapist's or murderer's tendencies is absolutely appalling. That is all.
2006-12-03 07:27:15
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They are all not favorable in God's eyes:
Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!” Acts 15:28-29
BIGOT: Word History: Bigots may have more in common with God than one might think. Legend has it that Rollo, the first duke of Normandy, refused to kiss the foot of the French king Charles III, uttering the phrase bi got, his borrowing of the assumed Old English equivalent of our expression by God. Although this story is almost surely apocryphal, it is true that bigot was used by the French as a term of abuse for the Normans, but not in a religious sense. Later, however, the word, or very possibly a homonym, was used abusively in French for the Beguines, members of a Roman Catholic lay sisterhood. From the 15th century on Old French bigot meant "an excessively devoted or hypocritical person." Bigot is first recorded in English in 1598 with the sense "a superstitious hypocrite."
2006-12-03 07:33:24
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answered by Anonymous
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Your views are your own, but it is not right for you to force them on others. I can respect your views and your opinions and I will not condemn you for your beliefs, but I expect that same respect. I don't think airing your views on something like yahoo is a good idea, too many people stand to be offended.
2006-12-03 07:25:52
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answered by Ally 4
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it is bigoted to say that homosexuality is a sin because THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH HOMOSEXUALITY. no one can point to anything wrong with it, only to what the bible says. it's like the bible saying all black people should be killed and then you asking, "why do they say i'm a bigot because i want all blacks to be killed?"
you are persecuting a completely innocent group of people based solely on your religious beliefs. you are allowed to think what you like, but you cannot ask for the law to oppress them and you cannot call for their death.
now go read a bible and find some other innocent group to hate.
2006-12-03 07:31:45
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well since you have put it like that, it might seem ok,
let me ask u this if u find a guy who molested a 9 year old girl raped her, murdered her, and was happy doing so, but seems to be really friendly, u wouldnt bother, him havin committed a sin would you.
2006-12-03 07:27:05
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answered by demon slayer 1
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I am gay and live with my partner of 32 years. You compare that to murder, rape and stealing? And you wonder why I find people like you to be disgusting? You claim you're not equating all those victim crimes with gays, but you did it anyway.
I have christian friends, I just don't agree with their lifestyle.
Love the christian, hate the christianity.
2006-12-03 07:24:45
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answered by Anonymous
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