If yes, that would mean you believe in multiple Gods--since you believe God (the father) and Jesus are separate individuals.
If no, how do you justify John 1:1? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning."
Also, since you do believe that God & Jesus are 2 separate beings, then why does it say otherwise in Alma 11:38-39. "Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father? And Amulek said unto him: Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and last."
I'd appreciate serious answers only with Biblical scripture to explain your points. Thanks!
2006-12-02
19:29:22
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I'm not out to Bible bash. I meant my question with the most sincerity. I really want to know the answer.
2006-12-03
03:24:16 ·
update #1
My question is yet to be answered-- If you're Mormon, please respond.
2006-12-03
07:28:25 ·
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Thank you Cookie for your response.
I feel like I don't have an answer to my main question, though, so, any Mormons: Do you consider Jesus Christ to be God?
2006-12-03
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sunnyannie, thank you for your response.
Just so you know, I looked up John 1:1 with the greek translation. It reads, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word."
(not: and the Word was a God.)
2006-12-07
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Good answer Cookie. I would add that we believe that Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. Under the direction of His father, He created the world (note the plural in Genesis 1:26).
As to John 1:1, there is no indefinite article in Greek, so that sentence could equally be translated "...the word was with God, and the word was a god." In fact, read it again and you'll see that it makes much more sense that way. In fact in other languages with no indefinite article (such as Welsh, with which I am most familiar) it is generally taken that that sentence should be understood to mean that Jesus is A god, not that he is one and the same person as God.
The section in Alma clearly demonstrates that Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament, since he is referred to in terms used by the Israelites. Think of Narnia for a minute. Aslan creates Narnia, he is the "god" of Narnia, it is he who lays down his life to save Narnia, but he remains the son of the great Emporer-over-sea.
The trinity doctrine was first formulated (and only partially I might add) in 325 AD at Nicea, under the direction of Constantine who was not a Christian. I find it very sad that "Christian" orthodoxy continues to be based on their conclusions when for 300 years no one had any inkling of the daft idea that Jesus and God we "of one substance".
Do I believe in multiple gods? I believe in God, my Heavenly Father, and I worship Him through Jesus Christ, his divine son, my Lord and Saviour. I suppose I do, but for the first twenty-three years of my life I struggled to believe in the trinity, and believe me, this is easier!
2006-12-07 10:59:20
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answered by sunnyannie 5
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Cookie explains it really well in my opinion. At the very least, what she talks about explains why we believe they way we do. As a direct answer, No, Jesus is not God himself, if you consider God as one person. However this is the way I see it, “GOD” is only a term we use in our language to refer to someone Higher then anyone on earth (even if they were or are on earth). The word God is like president. When you talk about the “president” are you talking about one man, a few people, or the whole Cabinet? Could be all of the above; plus which president is it? Biblical references aside (they were already stated) “God” can men two things. It can mean our Heavenly Father specifically with no reference to Jesus or the Holy Ghost; or it can men all three individuals on the same team called “God” working together to create. This is what I personally feel that I came up with on my own, and it makes sense to me. So again, to answer your question directly; No Jesus is not God in the sense of our Father and ultimate leader. But yes, Jesus is God in sense as “Vice-God” (if you will), working for the same goals, and creating s a team. Keeping in mind, of course, that Jesus and Heveanly Father (God) are two different people. This explanation my seem bit far; but honestly, not as far as the explanation of the “trinity”. Good luck, hope this helps.
2006-12-04 23:58:26
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answered by Coool 4
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Jesus Christ and God are separate beings with one purpose regarding this world. Jesus is the Son, but is also the Father in baptism. Under the direction of God, Jesus created this world and all things therein, and therefore could be considered the God of this world, but not God as in the Supreme Father. I apologize for not having scriptural referrence at this time. There are, however, plenty of Biblical referrences to the fact they are separate beings, and more so, it is logical. Up until approximately 325 A.D. most people agreed with the separate beings idea, including the Catholic church. Anyway, there is no one greater to us than God the Father and His Son Jesus, who whereby we may obtain salvation.
2006-12-05 18:08:50
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answered by straightup 5
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We believe in God the Father, in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We worship God the Father through Jesus Christ...if that makes sense. We recognize the Father as the literal Father of our spirits - Christ is the "father" of our bodies because he created them under the direction of the Father.
When worshipping the Father, we are also worshipping Christ because they are one in purpose. He is the our "father" in the sense we are made new when we accept the atonement and repent and come unto him. I pray to my Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus Christ.
******Depends on your definition of "God" ? Are you asking do we believe Christ is God the Father or the God of this earth?
We do not believe Christ and the Father are the same person. We believe they are two distincly different perfected beings.
2006-12-03 23:13:59
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answered by Anonymous
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What about this...
Galatians 1:6-9
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
p.s. I don't hate mormons...I hate that they are blinded to the truth. I hate their leaders and I hate their founders.
2006-12-03 03:34:57
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answered by JohnC 5
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Okay, thanks for asking this question. Let us review the concept of the Godhead. There are 3 members, distinct and individual, with the same mission, to help God's children return to live with Him. The 3 members are:
1. God the Father - who we pray to using the term "Heavenly Father" or "Father in Heaven"
2. Jesus Christ, who we do not pray to directly, but we end all prayers in the name of Jesus Christ.
3. The Holy Ghost, or Holy Spirit.
You can find a direct reference to all three members in 3 different locations at the same time in Matthew 3:16-17 in the King James Bible.
"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water; and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
"And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Here you have all three members of the Godhead accounted for at the occasion of the baptism of Jesus Christ. The Father's voice was heard as He bore witness of His Son, and the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit was there to testify and seal that baptism ordinance.
You might want to check out a good commentary on the Bible when it comes to John 1:1. I am just going to quote from James E. Talmage's "Jesus the Christ" so you can see the verse in context, along with verses 2, 3, 4, and 14.
"In the opening lines of the Gospel book written by John the apostle, we read: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and with him was not anything made that was made...And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." Talmage says, "The passage is simple, precise and unambiguous. We may reasonably give to the phrase "In the beginning" the same meaning as attaches thereto in the first line of Genesis; and such signification must indicate a time antecedent to the earliest stages of human existence upon the earth. That the Word is Jesus Christ, who was with the Father in that beginning and who was Himself invested with the powers and rank of Godship, and that He came into the world and dwelt among men, are definitely affirmed. These statements are corroborated through a revelation given to Moses, in which he was permitted to see many of the creations of God, and to hear the voice of the Father with respect to the things that had been made: "And by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth." (Pearl of Great Price, Moses 1:32, 33; see also 2:5). John the apostle repeatedly affirms the pre-existence of the Christ and the fact of His authority and power in the antemortal (premortal) state. To the same effect is the testimony of Paul and of Peter...yet more truly conclusive are the personal testimonies of the Savior as to His own pre-existent life and the mission among men to which He had been appointed."
Now let's go back to Alma 11:38-39. I am going to go to W. Cleon Skousen's commentary, "Treasures from the Book of Mormon" to explain the verses you quoted. Skousen says, regarding verse 38, when the lawyer Zeezrom was trying to get Amulek to answer falsely regarding Jesus Christ, that "Zeezrom apparently recognized that he had been outmaneuvered. He immediately plunged out in another direction. This time the question which he asked might even have confused many Latter-day Saints. He said: "Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father?" The answer (with an appropriate explanation) could have been EITHER yes or no, but Amulek elected to emphasize the Father-role of Christ and then continue his discussion of the need to repent. He therefore replied, "Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and the last." The key to Amulek's reply is the fact that Jesus is referred to throughout scripture as the Father-Creator of the earth and the Father of man's redemption. The double role of Jesus as both a Father and a Son is specifically dealt with in Mosiah 15:1-5." Now because you want a Biblical answer, here is a popular verse - Isaiah 9:6 - "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." That is only one well-known Biblical reference to Jesus Christ being called the everlasting Father. Skousen says Isaiah's ministry "lasted at least 48 years...we can safely say that Isaiah was alive and constituted a powerful religious force around Jerusalem during practically all of the last half of the eighth century before Christ (750 to 700 B.C.)." Last I heard, Isaiah is still considered a prophet by all Christians who read the Bible, so it is not lessening Heavenly Father's title and position to call Jesus Christ the everlasting Father as well. It is simply a reference to Jesus Christ's role as the Messiah of this world, and the fact that He created the earth under the Father's direction, and He is the father of our salvation, as there is no other name under which we may be saved. The Atonement of Jesus Christ is central to our teachings and beliefs. I'm not sure what you are worried about, exactly, but this is my answer. Perhaps you were wondering if it is consistent to have three different individuals working together in the Godhead. As you can see by the Bible, it is. Have a happy day, and I send you some virtual gummy bears.
2006-12-04 00:45:20
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answered by Cookie777 6
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write answer wrong question. Christians believe that god is father and son of god is Jesus. what is the belief??
2006-12-03 03:36:52
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answered by Anonymous
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Honestly, do you really care or do you just want to bible bash. You won't convince any mormons out there. But I will tell you one thing I have learned. Bible bashing only brings contention and contention is of the devil. Think about that.
2006-12-03 03:53:18
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answered by Beckaboo 2
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u can say but He is the son of god .He taught us about our livings He brought the name of God in us He turned the hell into heaven yes He is the God.
2006-12-03 03:36:24
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answered by heena rajpal 1
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u c frnd i believe that there is one ALLAH (means God) and profit Isaa (means jesus) is a profit and not God.because he is a human beeing just like us but he is A PROFIT (means a person who should tell the ppl wat ALLAH wants them 2 do & wat they should not 2 )may ALLAH rest him in peace.
2006-12-03 03:35:45
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