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Where does it say it in the bible?

2006-12-02 19:10:44 · 21 answers · asked by Chase 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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CHRISTMAS
Christmas isn't Jesus's birthdate; it was the birthday of the sun god. Scripture doesn't mention Jesus's birthdate or any christians celebrating His Birthday. The only birthday mentioned besides Pharoah is the heathen king Herod. "Christmas" means "mass of Christ"; the celebration coexisted in Rome before there was any in Jerusalem. The early Roman Church however did establish a pagan festival that (Jer.10) coexisted with Jesus's Birth and that was the birthday of the sun god. (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th ed., article: "Christmas"). The Catholic sources admit that Christmas didn't co-exist with the earliest festivals. Jesus wasn't born Christmas; even scripture makes this evident. "On the night of Jesus's birth, the shepherd's were still keeping watch over their flocks." (Luke 2:8). The rainy season in Ancient Israel began after the Feast of Tabernacles which generally is early October. In November, it would be cool and wet; the flocks from the pasture had already been brought and kept in winter quarters by the shepherds. This tells us the shepherds were no longer in the fields at night. Another peice of evidence is overlooked is in Luke 1:35-36; it tells us John the Baptist was born to Mary's cousin Elizabeth six months before Jesus. And as we look further in verse 5-17, we see Zacharias an elderly priest burning incense on the altar and then an angel appearing to him and telling him that he and his wife would have a son to prepare Christ's Way. We know however when this announcement was made by the angel because of Zacharias was "of the course of Abijah" Please look at 1Chron.24:1-19; it tells us that King David divided these priests into 24 "courses" that served in the temple by rotation. The Course of Abijah would be the 8th of the 24 courses which usually would occur around the end of May. Pentecost came the week after the 8th course served and he had to serve all 24 courses during the three festival seasons. So Zacharias came home approximately after the first week of June; in which John the Baptist was conceived around mid-June and 9 months later would be his birth. John Baptist's birth came around mid-March while Jesus's was around mid-September. Also notice every year people claim 3 wise men seen Jesus in a stable; is this really true? The Bible nowhere states "3 wise men" or "that the wise men visited Jesus in a stable". Read for yourself: (Matt.2:11); these Magi came from the east beyond the Euphrates River which in the 1st century was called the Parthian Empire (the eastern border of the Roman Empire). Several weeks after Jesus's birth, the Magi arrived in Jerusalem, the king's palace searching for Jesus. The "star" in the east led them to take their trip to Judea. After hearing about the timing of the "star's appearance" from the Magi; King Herod ordered the slaughter of all children two years and younger(Matt.2:16). When Jesus was 40 days old: His parents presented him in the temple (Luke 2:22)(Lev.12:2-4). After the Magi came, the family fled to Egypt. {Jesus six weeks old.}
WHEN WAS JESUS'S BIRTH?
http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/tw-mag.cgi?category=Magazine33&item=1104261794
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1342393463049373547FazWzQ

EXODUS 20:3 = "Thou shalt not have other gods before me." It tells us in verse 5 = "not to bow to them nor serve them".

Note: ECCLES.7:1 = "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth."

How Christmas came about. Is it related to Valentine's?
VALENTINE'S (CUPID)
CENTURIES BEFORE CHRIST, THE PAGAN ROMANS CELEBRATED FEBRUARY 15 & THE EVENING OF FEBRUARY 14 AS AN IDOLATROUS & SENSUOUS FESTIVAL IN HONOR OF LUPERCUS, THE "HUNTER OF WOLVES". THE ROMANS CALLED THE FESTIVAL "LUPERCALIA"; CUSTOM OF EXCHANGING VALENTINES & OTHER TRADITIONS TO HONOR LUPERCUS, THE "HUNTER OF WOLVES". THE ROMANS CALLED THE FESTIVAL "LUPERCALIA"; CUSTOM OF EXCHANGING VALENTINES AND OTHER TRADITIONS IN HONOR OF LUPERCUS (THE DEIFIED HERO-HUNTER OF ROME). IT WAS ALSO BONDED ANCIENTLY WITH THE PAGAN PRACTICE OF TEENAGERS "GOING STEADY" THAT USUALLY LED TO FORNICATION. TODAY, "GOING STEADY" IS A REBIRTH OF AN OLD CUSTOM THAT CAME FROM THE TOMAN FESTIVAL LUPERCALIA THAT WAS CELEBRATED IN FEBRUARY BY DRAWING YOUNG WOMEN'S NAMES OUT OF A BOX BY MEN AS CHANCE DIRECTED.-- ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA, ARTICLE, "ST. VALENTINE'S DAY."

WHEN CONSTANTINE MADE CHRISTIANITY THE OFFICIAL RELIGION OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE THERE WAS SOME TALK IN CHURCH CIRCLES OF DISGARDING THIS PAGAN FREE-FOR-ALL. BUT THE ROMAN CITIZENS WOULDN'T HEAR OF IT! SO IT WAS AGREED THAT THE HOLIDAY WOULD CONTINUE AS IT WAS, EXCEPT FOR THE MORE GROSLY SENSUAL OBSERVANCES. IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE REIGN OF POPE GELASIUS THAT THE HOLIDAY BECAME A "CHRISTIAN CUSTOM." AS FAR BACK AS 496, POPE GELASIUS CHANGED LUPERCALIA ON FEBRUARY 15 TO ST. VALENTINE'S ON FEBRUARY 14."--("CUSTOMS AND HOLIDAYS AROUND THE WORLD", PG.172 BY LAVINIA DOBLER)(BY HERMAN L. HOEH; THE PLAIN TRUTH;FEBRUARY 1966).

LUPERCUS BORNE THE NAME VALENTINE AMONG THE HEATHEN ROMANS. THE GREEKS CALLED HIM "PAN"; THE SEMITES "BAAL" ACCORDING TO THE CLASSICAL DICTIONARIES". IN THE BIBLE; "BAAL" IS MENTIONED OFTEN; ANOTHER NAME FOR HIM IS CALLED "NIMROD, "THE MIGHTY HUNTER" (GENESIS 10:9). ANOTHER NAME FOR NIMROD WAS "SANCTUS" OR "SANTA", MEANING "SAINT", COMMON TITLE FOR A HERO-GOD. NIMROD KNOWN AS BAAL OR sun god OF ANCIENT PAGANS WAS BORN AT THE WINTER SOLSTICE. IN ANCIENT TIMES THE SOLSTICE OCCURED ON JANUARY 6; THIS WAS HIS BIRTHDAY UNTIL THE SOLSTICE CHANGED & THEN IT WAS CELEBRATED ON DECEMBER 25. "IT WAS THE CUSTOM OF ANTIQUITY FOR THE MOTHER OF A MALE CHILD TO PRESENT HERSELF FOR PURIFICATION ON THE 14TH DAY AFTER THE DAY OF BIRTH. THE 14TH DAY AFTER JAN.6--NIMROD'S ORIGINAL BIRTHDATE---TAKES US TO FEB.15, THE CELEBRATION OF WHICH BEGAN ON THE EVENING OF FEB.14--THE LUPERCALIA OR ST. VALENTINE'S DAY." --(HERMAN L. HOEH) NIMROD'S OTHER NAME WAS "CUPID" WHICH MEANS "DESIRE"---ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA", ART., "CUPID".
Encyclopedia Americana, article, "St. Valentine's Day."
Encyclopedia Britannica, art., "cupid."
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1339760087049373547vWZntY
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/valentin.html
http://home.swbell.net/kelkay/valentines
http://home.sprynet.com/~pabco/stvalen.htm
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Here are the texts of gods that should not be worshipped:
EXOD.20:23; 32:3,4,8-10,19-23,30
DEUT.4:19,28-31; 11:26-28; 17:3
JER.10
EZEK.8:13-18
DAN. 3:1-18 (tried to make Daniel's friends to bow to the image, but they didn't)

New Testament Texts:
GAL.4:8-10 (pagan feasts are: New Year's, Valentine's-Cupid, Patrick's Day, Easter-Ishtar, Halloween, Christmas, Sunday-sun{from sunset Sat. to sunset Sunday = GEN.1:5), Monday-moon-{worship after sunset Sunday which would be Sunday evening(Sun.even to Mon.even)= considered to be Monday according to GEN.1:8}. Birthdays come from pagan origin too. = (only 2 birthdays are mentioned in Bible; they are: Pharoah and King Herod)
You can find most of things in sources like encyclopedias, history, etc. that tell you it's pagan or that it comes from pagan origin.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p=Christmas--Pagan--sun%20god
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p=mithras%2chorus%2c%20nimrod%20of%20Christmas
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p=mithras%2c%20Horus%2c%20Nimrod--Christmas

Look at these websites:
MITHRAS (goddess of light)
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p=mithras
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-34,PCTA:en&q=mithras+god+of+light
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2CPCTA%3A2006-34%2CPCTA%3Aen&q=Mithras+born+Christmas&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2CPCTA%3A2006-34%2CPCTA%3Aen&q=Mithras--goddess+of+light&btnG=Search

HORUS (sun god)
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p=horus
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2CPCTA%3A2006-34%2CPCTA%3Aen&q=horus&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-34,PCTA:en&q=dec+25%2d%2dhorus
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2CPCTA%3A2006-34%2CPCTA%3Aen&q=Horus--bull%3F&btnG=Search
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p=Horus--Valentine%27s
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-34,PCTA:en&q=Horus+born+after+the+death+of+Nimrod
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-34,PCTA:en&q=Horus+the+sun+god

2006-12-02 21:24:53 · answer #1 · answered by KNOWBIBLE 5 · 1 0

The don't "know" he was born on December 25...and has other have correctly noted, he probably WASN'T born on the December 25. It is one of those things that people believe just because they hear it over and over again.

Want to know another misconception about Christmas? The 3 wise men. First of all, the Bible doesn't say how many there were...it only describes 3 gifts the brought. We really don't know how many there were or if they were kings or anything about them.

They also were not present at the birth of Jesus. The went to Jerusalem to find him and that went to Bethlehem, some 120 miles away. There is some indication that they might have have even met up with Jesus' family until a year or two later.

2006-12-02 19:21:00 · answer #2 · answered by Carl 7 · 0 0

Jesus birthdate wasnt stated in the bible because it is not of importance for us to celebrate.

December 25 is the date of the pagan feast Saturnalia, worhisp of the sun-god. church (catholic) incorporated it to be able to convert pagans. Giving pagan tradition a new name that appears Christian.

Jesus was born when the sheperds are out on the filled with their sheep, if its december i think it was freezing cold in Israel and it would be impossible for them to be outside...

Jesus began his ministry at the age of 30 and died at the age of 33 1/2 years on Nisan 14, in our calendar that is about March/April....counting back, Jesus would have been born around September or October.

thanks

2006-12-03 08:10:14 · answer #3 · answered by Tomoyo K 4 · 0 0

He wasnt! He was born during the Jewish feast of tabernacles. Late sept-early october. This makes more sense, as it is a feast of joy!

The Feast of Tabernacles may be the day that Yeshua was born. Since the fourth century, December 25 has been recognized as the day of His birth, but it is generally recognized that this date was likely set due to the "Christianizing" of pagan holidays. December 25th was a pagan holiday called Saturnalia, which celebrated the winter solstice.

Many different factors point to Yeshua's birth being in the fall rather than the winter. Scholars have calculated that John the Baptist was likely born on Passover based on the schedule that the priests served in the Temple, since John's father, Zechariah, was performing Temple duties when the angel appeared to him and prophesied John's birth. Zechariah's wife Elizabeth became pregnant shortly after. We know that Elizabeth was six months pregnant when the angel appeared to Mary to tell her of Jesus' birth (Luke 1:26-31). If John the Baptist was born on Passover, Yeshua was born six months later, during the month of Tishri, the same month of the Feast of Tabernacles.

2006-12-02 19:14:39 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 2 2

No, Jesus replaced into born in the spring. to that end-the Spring Lamb. The twenty 5th of December replaced into chosen by the church as a results of fact it replaced into in the process the iciness solstice, and the pagans have been extra receptive to being "reformed" to the christian faith throughout the time of that element. to boot all that, there is not any communicate in the Bible of social gathering of birthdays, no one gave Jesus a birthday present on an identical time as He replaced into alive, he purely pronounced the social gathering of passover and of weddings. look it up on Google, alongside with the origins of the christmas tree, the candy cane and the ribbon on those delivers you so fortuitously rip open. no longer a damn element has something to do with Jesus. no longer something. And any 6 month births oftentimes led to ineffective toddlers "returned then".

2016-10-17 15:34:03 · answer #5 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

The Bible doesn't say and most Christians don't believe Dec 25 is Jesus' birthday.

On Christmas many Christians celebrate Jesus birth and what it means to us, but not as his birthday.

2006-12-02 19:15:38 · answer #6 · answered by dave 5 · 1 1

He wasn't born then. The reason Christmas is celebrated then was an attempt (a rather successful one) to take over Pagan traditions. Christmas is originally Pagan.

Incidentally, the only two birthdays ever recorded in the Bible were accompanied by murder -

The Pharaoh of Egypt on his birthday killed his baker (Gen 40:20);
King Herod on his birthday killed John the Baptist. (Matt 14:6).

There was never any request in the Bible for the birth of Christ to be celebrated. Only for his death to be remembered.

Makes me wonder why Christians celebrate his birthday at all.

2006-12-02 19:12:51 · answer #7 · answered by Snark 7 · 8 2

They don't. If their mythical "jeebus" actually existed, it would have been born in the spring. Sheep farmers don't take their flocks out during the winter.

All christ-stain holidays are placed to supercede the holidays of previous religions, much the same way the Soviets would rewrite books to create "non-persons": "xmas" replaced solstice celebrations, "valentine's day" replaced the Lupercalian romance festival, "easter" replaced Oestre's fertility rituals, "all hallow's eve" and "all saints day" replaced end-of-harvest rituals, etc.


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2006-12-02 19:19:01 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

Christmas was originally pegan, Christians took it and made Jesus a birthday because we do not know when His birthday really is. If you know someone who didn't know their birthday wouldn't you give them one? We don't know His so we set aside a day to celebrate His birth.

God bless,
Stanbo

2006-12-02 19:19:39 · answer #9 · answered by Stanbo 5 · 0 0

*Yawn* I'm an atheist but even I know the answer!! It was just a chosen day a few 100 of years ago to symbol his birth day..I don't think anybody really thinks that he was exactly born on that day!!

2006-12-02 19:19:18 · answer #10 · answered by *~SoL~ * Pashaa del Ñuñcaa. 4 · 2 1

It doesn't say. I, nor does my church, celebrate Christmas as His birthday. We don't celebrate Christmas at all actually because almost all the traditions of Christmas are pagen based.

2006-12-02 19:17:08 · answer #11 · answered by 4CHRIST 2 · 1 0

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