So we all know atheists are violent too (read)...what do you think?

Question

and it would be pretty inaccurate to say that religous people are the only violent ones while reflecting on 9/11, problems in UK, Turkey and Greece, Conflicts in Africa (not gonna list all the places where people are messin each other up over religion...but anyways)...Atheist dictators like Stalin have done their fair share in violence too. But the problem is that the Atheist who are killing are not killing in the name of Atheism, they are killing independent of any religion, while the religous seem to be doing some of this balognie in the name of god or gods. It is what is influencing them to kill. Stalin was influenced to kill by a need to win the war and mantain public order. So do you think it would be inaccurate to say the world would be a better place without some of these religions, or would being free of thinking sky daddy would spank you for getting out of line cause the more ignorant, less moral people to be more violent?

Grrr..I'm afraid people didn't understand the question.

Answer 1

Sure, Stalin killed and he was an atheist. Hitler was brought up Catholic, though I don't think he set much store by religion as an adult. But in fact they were both religious, in that they believed in something (Soviet Communism, Nazism) whose dictates overrode considerations of humanity - or so they thought.

Yes, people kill, always have and probably always will. But the danger of religions, transcendental beliefs or whatever is that they can short-circuit the conscience - they allow people to kill, imprison, torture, persecute, etc, in the name of a supposedly greater cause and feel good about it. I'm not killing you just because I want to, from greed or cruelty - I'm doing it because you're a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or an enemy of the people, and therefore less than human, and God (or whatever) told me to. So it's all right, and a virtuous act.

OK, I'm not saying that all religious people will do that, or even most of them. But if they want to, the justification is there waiting to be used in the Old Testament or the Koran or Das Kapital or Mein Kampf. And that, to my mind, is what's dangerous.

Answer 2

So are you saying that because an Atheist such as Stalin doesn't kill in the name of religion that is somehow better? The killing that has gone on in the name of religion isn't neccessarily pure and simple. Behind all wars, whether religious or not, is a desire for power, or wealth, or control of land/resources, or to enforce some ideology. If you use this same argument, I could point out that many religious people are non-violent in the name of God, so shouldn't everyone be non-violent?

Answer 3

Yes, I would think that it would be an inaccurate assumption that the world would be a better place without religion. If we took religion out of the would, then people would look for something else to b*tch and moan about and another reason to kill people. As long as people inhabit the world there will always be war and murder.

Answer 4

Not at all, but you can not compare the two. The indivdual, while yes can be violent, people as individuals are fairly stable. When a person loses their individuality and becomes part of a group's ethics and morals, than that group becomes all the more deadlier. We all have the reasoning ability to possess common sense morals, but the problem is, when one becomes religious, they conform to the religion's morals, and these are far from common sense. Religions do nothing but breed hate and violence.

Answer 5

i have consistently felt from the starting up that this warfare in Iraq change into fought between the fundamentalists in Islam and the fundamentalists in Christianity. In different words those who take the Bible and the Koran actually and under no circumstances as a metaphor. convinced there are activities in each that are traditionally suited. yet for the most section they're only different thoughts of the adventure your soul or essence takes in living the suited a possibility rewarding type of existence. Do you keep in mind that commercial that change into on television a at the same time as decrease back the position a boy ten years previous or so in his little tournament is approached with the aid of a clown? The clown has twisted a balloon into the style of an animal. He palms it to the boy and says, " that is a giraffe ". The boy looks on the clown and says , " i do not see it" it is style of unhappy that the boy has no mind's eye. even if it is tragic that adults bypass over the entire element of all non secular writings ,..and that is to have self belief.

Answer 6

Stalin killed out of his political views and his hunger for power. That, and he was a nutjob.

Hitler, though Christian at least most of his life, killed for the same reasons mostly. The people under him gobbled it up when he used god as an argument for his views, though.

So, I would agree with you for the most part. No one has ever waged war in the name of no god. I think the leaders, religious or not, wage war over politics. Religion comes in when they get the people to back them up though.

I think real atrocities can take place with irrational politics OR irrational beliefs.

Answer 7

If Stalin is the only example of a violent atheist you have, then you have a very poor argument. Every social group has a psycho or two. Big whoop. Hitler was Catholic, Ed Gein was fanatically Lutheran, and I can list endless examples of religious psychos.

Answer 8

I've tried this one before, Atheists get riled over it. They LOVE dishing out SON OF SAM to CHRISTIANS, but hit them with STALIN and they squirm and do a segue.

They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

The Atheist is the motivation for the ultimate criminal. There is no God, there is no Creator, we are a Cosmic Accident, nothing matters, there is no BIG BROTHER except those created by man, like GOD, hence there is no CRIME of RAPE, MURDER, THEFT, ROBBERY or ASSULT, because all these CRIMES are created by MAN just like he CREATED GOD to CONTROL THE MASSES.

CONTROLLING THE MASSES WITH SCIENCE FICTION is B.S.

Hence, anything goes.

That is Atheism. NO GOD, NO FINAL JUDGEMENT. NO SKY DADDY. NO BOOK OF LIFE. NO MORAL CODE YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO, except THAT MADE UP BY MAN TO CONTROL MY THINKING AND WAY OF LIFE AND I REJECT ALL OF THAT!

That is ATHEISM

To do otherwise is to BOW before someone other than youself and say YOU COME SECOND and THEY COME FIRST

BONNIE AND CLYDE are the ULTIMATE epiphany of ATHEISM.

They did it there way and if you don't like it tough, you aren't my GOD, you don't rule me, you aren't my BIG BROTHER and there is NO ONE you can report me to. And if you do, I'll shoot them and you.

Whose gonna get me in the end if I kill ALL of you. God! Ha!

Answer 9

People are naturally aggressive. They do not need a reason, it's human nature. There is no use saying that one group is more violent than the other.

Answer 10

Jesus H. how about this? PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT! it doesn't matter what you believe in or who you worship or don't worship, or what color socks you wear! Human nature tends towards violence if it isn't properly managed....

Get of your high horse and realize the bigger issue please!

Humans by default are capable of violence, however religion seems to enable this violence more than anything else.