You think the world is so complex it needs a designer but a designer is always more complex than his/her design. He/she has to be. So god is more complex than the world which you say is so complex it needs a designer. So if this world is so complex it needs a designer an even more complex designer would need a still more complex designer and we have an infinite regression. Say no to jesus
2006-12-02 06:46:45 · 21 answers · asked by Say no to jesus 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Ah yes, the uncaused causer... even though, according to Christian Intelligent Design, complexity denotes design and a designer, their God is somehow immune to such rules.
Of course God would be more complex than anything, right? And of course something so complex would HAVE to have a creator (according to the theory), RIGHT?
Guess not. They're kind of pulling the rug out from under their feet, huh?
2006-12-02 06:48:39 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 3⤋
You are making 2 false assumptions.
1. That God is "infinate." That word is theoretical and is not found in nature. It is also a self-refuting concept.
2. That there is a some sort of universal and constant amount of complexity and creativity poured into any given creation. That is easily refuted in that people alike with God have the freewill to pour in as much or as little effort and creativity as possible. For instance I might spend every waking moment on a school project and pour every ounce of effort and thought I have toward it while at other times I do the minimum required in order to get a passing grade.
There is no value in nor is it possible to gauge what percentage of Gods total effort he put into creation. Even if you could, it would still hold no value because there is no preset assigned universal specified amount of effort and creativity God is obligated to meet. God is sovereign and what he has made he has made. Enjoy it while it lasts!
2006-12-02 15:08:33 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
Sometimes even jeans need a designer, designer jeans? So who designed Sergio Valente, the person. The designer had to be more complex them him. But he had a designer, or he wouldn't exist.
Why do you go to the trouble to tell people "say no to Jesus", or i guess you are saying, say no to a creator. As Shakespeare said, "Me thinks the lady dost protest to much" Doesn't matter whether it is a lady or a man in that quote, sometimes when a person protests to that extend it means they really do believe.
If you did not believe in Jesus in a way, why would you protest against him.
I am a Wiccan, but I sure have nothing against him.
2006-12-02 14:51:47 · answer #3 · answered by smoothsoullady 4 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Unless the designer is God. God, is infinite, and never needed to be created. The concept is hard for any human mind to grasp because we are finite. We had a beginning, and will have an end, to this life. The God in question, did not have a beginning, he just always "was".
2006-12-02 14:49:49 · answer #4 · answered by oceansnsunsets 4 · 2⤊ 1⤋
There is an "Unmoved Mover", the Creator, or God who was the ultimate designer of all. He created the universe, set it in motion, but does not interfere with it. He could easily have done all that right before the Big Bang, he does not have to come back and "fine tune" it.
2006-12-02 14:55:19 · answer #5 · answered by The Doctor 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
so, does this thing lead up to the age old question, "If god created the world, who created god?" it's an age old question
but I still stick with my beliefs that if a god does exist it's not the god of the Jewish, Muslum and Christian religion(s) (same god) but there has to be MULTIPLE gods...
if you get into the complexity of this world, it does go into an "infinite regression" and you just end up contradicting yourself so it's pretty much just a loss...
2006-12-04 11:38:28 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus loves you :-D !!!!!! God is timeless, he has always been here and he always will be, God is even more complex than us, if your suggesting that some one would have to create God than your wrong, God is timeless...like i said he has no end and no beginning, he's the uncaused cause but nothing i can say is gonna get through to you because your so against God in the first place. Say yes to Jesus !!! the guy rocks and i love him so much :-D
2006-12-02 14:53:27 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Ya know ...I do believe there are true atheist who really believe there is no God. HOwever, I beleive there is a small minoritity of these "atheist" who actually beleive in a higher power but are just ticked off at him because they didn't get the Life they wanted. You, my dear are one of the minorities! Anyone who would have your user-name is obviously mad at God. Get over whatever your mad at him about. Most of your life is your fault. You are responsible for your life...GOd does help but you have free-will. So my friend - Don't blame God because your life sucks. Dont run away from him...Run TO him...He is waiting for you with open arms. He wants to hold you and comfort you. He isn't some big bad guy in the sky that is just waiting to throw a stone on you every time you sin. He loves you and he misses you. Oh and I love you too. TOODLES NOW!
2006-12-02 14:57:22 · answer #8 · answered by Fat-Chic 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
There are two questions that I consider the worst: (1) theists asking atheists if man evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys today? (2) atheists asking theists where did God come from?
Your question falls in the second category. By definition, God is everlasting: He has no beginning and He has no end.
2006-12-02 14:58:25 · answer #9 · answered by flandargo 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Where is your Designer, one that you can trust no matter what? Even if it may seem like God is an invisible friend to some, He is a VERY GOOD one.
2006-12-02 15:38:56 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋