When exactly did God get separated from Reason?

Question

2000 years ago people turned to their Bible to find answers. The Bible satisfied their search for knowledge about how we came to existence, they learned the world was only a few thousand years old and they could read the earth was flat. God was their Reason.

Over the last thousands of years we gained a lot of knowledge, a lot of Reason.

In current time God is all of a sudden 'beyond Reason'. He doesn't follow Reason anymore. It only takes 'Faith' to know Him, not Reason anymore.

When did the way religious people look at God turn in this enormous way? Is 'just have faith' simply another way of saying "well, God is still The Answer, but we hardly have any questions anymore" ?

Answer 1

Well-stated! Bravo!

Reminds me of a quote by Martin Luther, who was one of the first on record who hated "reason" - let me find it... HERE it is!

Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.
Martin Luther

Answer 2

It was never a question of reason. One could believe in God only if one had faith because God is not a tangible, viewable "being" -- God is an idea. God is an ephemeral apparition at best. To believe in God is to have FAITH that He exists. I think that people are still full of questions! And they have faith that God answers -- through the word of the bible and through going to church and through the deeds they do.

I don't understand -- isn't there anybody else around here who, like me, is agnostic atheist, yet understands the other point of view? Or is everyone else all black or white about everything?

Answer 3

After the 1850's in the western world particularly, as a result of the conditions of exponentiating knowledge and mass literacy coupled with other more "dehumanizing" effects of the industrial revolution and more generally as a result of moderinzing economic social and educational pressures.

Fundamentalism has sprung up and/or became more accepted not just in the Christian faith but elsewhere, this is really where religion changed from a reason based system of enlightenmen to something else.

Answer 4

I don't believe that we don't have questions. I believe it's that people have just chosen to follow the church blindly. It's true that you do have to believe. To know God is to believe that he exists, it's just something you know in your heart. It's something you "feel" in your soul. People are also more educated and have more of an understanding of what the Bible is. It may have started out as Gods Holy Word, but it has been translated over the centuries and the basics of it have been changed by man. Take this as an example. In the Bible the Apostles were married men, yet they were able to serve Jesus. Today, man has said that priests should not be married. This has caused prblems in the recent past. God made us in his image but he also made us to populate the world. He gave us strong urges to do so. There are few people in the world who could actually ignore those urges. So, should priests able to marry? Women at one time were very active in the church, so why do men deny women their place in the church?

Answer 5

What reason? Based on what?

400 years, according to Newton, we are like children playing on the shore, being amazed at the few shells we find on the beach, while the whole ocean lies undiscovered. If modern science has taught us anything, it's just that the ocean is much bigger NOW than in Newton's days, and certainly much more complex than Darwin thought.

In case you haven't realized it, were are past the scientific age/age of reason. It hasn't lived up to its promise. You do know that we are now in the post-modern age, don't you? Not that that is necessarily something good.

Answer 6

God the Father (EL) separated from Reason (EL), when the Logos of God was on the cross. He Cried out, "EL, EL, Why have you forsaken me?!", and Elohim (plural of EL) broke for us.

The Word (Logos/Reason) of God became flesh and dwelt among us.

Faith is trusting & obeying the Logos / Reason of God (Gods Word). Why do you say Faith is not Reason anymore, when Reason identifies God. Read John 1. The Word of God is the Greek word Logos that means Reason. The Logos can mean logical reason.

Answer 7

Hence the Deists were born in the Enlightenment Era. Deists are still around; our entire religion is based on reason and not faith. There's a bumper sticker that reads: "God gave us reason, not religion." I agree.

Answer 8

Well people might say, "have faith," because they can't describe God. As it can be currently stated, "God is unknown," that statement, I think, is reasonable, but that in no way doctrines the belief that we should stop asking questions.

Answer 9

I got all my questions answered from the Bible, or I should say, the ones that are of eternal relevance, anyway. I'll be the first to say that there are some things we will NEVER understand in this lifetime, and if you're waiting to understand EVERYTHING before you decide that God is worthy of your trust, we'll let's just say it will never happen. But honestly, you can't get EVERY answer from JUST science alone, so ......

Answer 10

well you were warned about worshiping strange new g-ds, wern't you all? since TheUnchanging G-D has not changed, as this world once again deserts HIM, in the third denial. since TheG-D WHO was giving TheTorah with adam and chaooah, is still actualy giving this. in spite of what the delusions of this world keeps pretending isn't in the happening to us. pretending TheG-D of Only TheTorah is not still giving this, does not prevent TheG-D from giving this. even if you can't figure out what happens next after Adam is put to death by G-D, on the tree of life actualy here in TheTorah Happening.

Answer 11

Basically, and that's a good way to keep it. We'd destroy ourselves if we tried to understand too much. Knowledge is power, and too much knowledge in the wrong hands can lead to disastrous results.