Atheists believe that the univers and everything that exists just came to be by accident...
Here is the problem...
The universe is full of Data, full of distinct pieces of information, "which all must be formatted in the same special way in order to fit together". But what is data: (facts, information, advice). And where did this Data come from?
How did a billion pieces of unorganized data manipulate 'itself' to create a collection of instructions necessary to build 1 organized super complex working cell?
By randomness? But even the act of randomness is a process of selection, and therefore randomness itself cannot take place without organized programmation. Randomness is a quality which requires action and therefore it requires instructions.
The only possible answer is creation by higher power. The universe started with a THOUGHT. Its a proven fact.
2006-12-02 04:13:41 · 35 answers · asked by sfumato1002 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
All matter and Energy is just Data
2006-12-02 04:14:58 · update #1
Right, right... complexity denotes design.... well then, considering god and how unbelievably complex it must be, it must also have a creator... or are you now going to invoke the uncaused caused and rip the footing right out from underneath you?
2006-12-02 04:16:48 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 8⤊ 2⤋
Actually you're confusing the Data, it's not really information. The universe is ruled by laws, laws of Physics.
The universe is the way it is because it obeys the laws of Physics, our solar system, other solar systems, theories such as the Big Bang or other creation theories must fit into standard physical models, and thigns occur today all around us becasue of the laws inherent in the Universe, that are the same everywhere depending on criteria.
And the simplest solution as to why these laws exist or why they are the way they are is this: the path of least resistance. Check out super string theory, it proposes the base particles of the unvierse such as electrons, neutrons and photons have their properties because it is inherent in their nature, to be an electron for example a string vibrates a certain frequency. The abundance of electrons indicates this frequency is a easy one to achieve, and string sof this frequency must have certain properties to have said frequency, which accounts for their behaviour or physical make-up. And once the basic building blocks of physics have been laid down everything ele folows as a natural progression, following the easiest progression path creates the universe in which events can occur and chemical and physical reactions can occur. As the stage is set other occurances can be created out of this and things explained. Hence randomness is merely a trade-off of knowing the properties of something, the laws governing it and what happened to cause it's creation and present circumstances.
In this way the "data" you speak of is not unorganized but have a set program of instructions of how they react in certain situations because the stage they act upon is built on these foundations. All possible without God
2006-12-02 04:22:02 · answer #2 · answered by jleslie4585 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I'm curious, who had the thought that started the Universe? And, how was it proven? The Universe was started by the Big Bang. I believe that. God hasn't been proven. I'm sure you'll say the Bible proves it. So, a book, whose stories were transcribed 100 or more years after they supposedly happened, was god's word? It's a proven fact that the Bible stories were told from generation to generation until they were written down. Try an experiment. Get 10 friends together. Tell nine of them to leave the room. Tell the remaining person a story. Have them get another person to come in and tell him/her that story. Continue for the rest of your friends. I guarantee that the last person telling the story will get a story that has very little bearing on the original story.
2006-12-02 04:33:07 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Well, to begin with, let's take issue with your word "data". Where on earth, or in the universe, did you get that idea from? You admit yourself that data is "facts, information, advice". Why must it be "formatted in the same special way in order to fit together"?
How do you consider energy to be data? What information does it carry? Does it "advise" the computer I am using how to work? Does the glucose in my body "tell" a muscle how to type these words?
Sorry, you have taken a conundrum and twisted it in to nonsensicality, simply because you lack the intelligence to understand. it is a common error - don't feel bad about it.
"The only possible answer is creation by higher power." that is an Occams razor.
"The universe started with a THOUGHT. Its a proven fact."
Go on then, show me this proven fact. PLEASE do not do it by pointing at a bible.
2006-12-02 04:22:04 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
Your cosmology needs to updated a bit...the universe is not full of "Data". The term "data" is a poor theoretical construct that certainly runs into the problems you mention later on, and doesn't accurately describe the universe.
Physics is quite a bit more complicated than you make it out to be, but I would suggest something for you. Maybe the universe didn't have a "begining" at all. I think people tend to think of things in the terms that they can understand, and since you experience beginings and endings, you think of the universe that way. Consider that the universe doesn't have a begining, and won't have an ending and just is.
2006-12-02 04:21:06 · answer #5 · answered by ♫ giD∑■η ♫ 5 · 3⤊ 0⤋
If the "higher power" is as smart and perfect to create the universe, then who created the higher power? It's an endless loop.
That's why I'm an agnostic. The universe exists, and it's goddamn perfect, but we human beings currently have no tools to discover its purpose (if any) or whether there's a God or not.
Beyond those things we can determine by science and empirical evidence, we simply have no idea on what's out there. The secrets of the universe are still far beyond our reach.
Wisdom does not consist on knowing everything, but on acknowledging that there are some things that we will never be able to know.
2006-12-02 04:20:03 · answer #6 · answered by Extreme Ways 2 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Listen, (concidering your christain) you believe that a random supernatural being that has almighty powers came out of nowhere and created us for an absolute idiotic reason. We (in a way) believe the same thing as you except different context. God cannot be proven and neither can ANY believe. I guess it is just believing what you think is right, and you need to respect that. You believe a guy sits in a large white chair in a 13th dimension just doing nothing, looking at us for all eternity and determining our fate. That sent his "son" down to earth to "save" when all he did was climb on a big tree shaped like a cross and claimed to be an almighty being with ABSOLUTE NO PROOF, in those times everyone believed everything they heard, and the clergy in the Rennaissance were proven wrong with so many things, earth centre of universe, bad blood, witches ........... WHOS THE IDIOT NOW? HUH?
2006-12-02 04:33:02 · answer #7 · answered by Vixe 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
But I mean, if you're uncomfortable with the idea that the universe and everything in it came into existence on its own, why do you have no problem believing that a deity -- which by definition would be the most complicated, advanced thing in the entire universe -- came into existence on its own?
If the odds of a single cell starting from nothing are so low, then what are the odds of something as complex as God starting from nothing?
2006-12-02 04:19:13 · answer #8 · answered by . 7 · 6⤊ 0⤋
hmmm...lemme do some math here. The earth (just the earth) weighs 6x10^21 tons, that's 6x10^27 grams which is about 36x10^50 hydrogen atoms (which you could arbitrarily shuffle around, replace some protons with neutrons - in fact, yes, let's say half the protons are replaced with neutrons to get us an average of one neutron per proton and one electron per proton). So there's maybe 54x10^50 protons, neutrons and electrons plus maybe another septendecillion photons and whatnot (more?) - all those particles position and velocity is that 'data' you speak of. All that data is *planned*?! Noooooo. Look, life is self organizing and tends to reproduce on its own. Yep, that "magical moment" when self reproducing amino acid chains sprang from nothingness, that is truly mysterious, but everything since? we've pretty much covered with science. And don't mistake mysterious with divine. We may crack that nut in our lifetimes, we may not but that doesn't mean a god had to have done it.
2006-12-02 04:34:35 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
No, I believe the Universe was always here in some form. If you are going to say a god created it, then I am going to ask where god came from. You will probably say he was always here.
What you do by adding a god is just add a step. You didn't answer a thing. You have absolutely no hard evidence to base adding that step so you just made it up.
2006-12-02 04:19:33 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
Fair enough, but by that logic if something exists that is complex and powerful enough to create the entire universe, then something must have created *that* as well. Why is it that some are so repulsed by the idea of a universe coming from nothing, but are perfectly fine with a supremely powerful being essentially coming from nothing or existing forever?
2006-12-02 04:16:36 · answer #11 · answered by The Wired 4 · 4⤊ 1⤋