Do Xtians care that a thousand people die unnecessarily each week in the USA because of no health coverage?

Question

IT'S LIKE WE HAVE A NEW 9/11 ATTACK EVERY 3 WEEKS. The greed of insurance and medical companies kills more people than Muslims.The World Health Organization ranks the United States 35th in health care. It is far behind the nations that have universal health care. Universal health care saves lives and money. USA only industrialized democracy not to have it.

Answer 1

The OP means Christians when he says Xtians, BTW.
If they were decent Christians, then I think they would. I'm amazed that the US has such a low rate in health care.

I know I may moan about my doctors and similar things, but reading this has made me realise how lucky I am.

DON'T flame me, please. I'm just giving my honest opinion.

Answer 2

Actually funny you make this a Christian issue. I am Christian, but this is more an issue of humanity. And as a member of the human race we all should care for each other regardless of our religion, color or ethnicity.

First let us address your fallacy. You have not cited any proof as to the loss of a thousand people a week die without insurance. Then you throw the Muslim thing in as a comparison. Which is like comparing rocket ships to rocks. If you look at this press release from the WHO it is not the lack of medical care available but other factors. http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-life.html

Next no matter what others say socialized medicine will not work in the USA and is not working in other countries. China is moving away from socialized medical. They are now allowing insurance companies to function in the country. Only government workers and some of their families are receiving government paid medical now. I have in-laws in the government over there and that is what is happening.

Socialized medicine cannot happen in the US because the existing system is too large and too rooted to be able to change it. Besides those health care professionals, clinics and hospitals would have to be paid by the government, which directly comes from tax dollars. Which most Americans will not want to pay more taxes than we already do?

I suffered a back injury at work a few years back. After my surgeries and my workers comp was done, my wife and I had a child. We needed insurance. The state will provide insurance to people who need it under a certain income level. As I had to return to college to learn another vocation we had to take the program to make sure we could stay healthy. A funny thing is happening with the system. The insurance provider only pays what they see as the national average for services. Doctor and dentist clinics have been dropping patients with this insurance. There are very few clinics and hospitals to work with and get services from under this state insurance. To see a dentist we have to drive 75 miles. If you break a tooth you may have to wait in pain for a week or two to see a dentist. Aurora Healthcare just stopped accepting this insurance and has sent many patients looking for healthcare somewhere else. If this is an example of how socialized medicine works I want no part of it.

Back to your fallacies you state that: "Universal health care saves lives and money. " Not so as everyone will have to pay significantly higher taxes to support the socialized system. Look at the tax rates from other countries that support this. That means often lower income families will have even less money, as they will be paying higher taxes.

Last. The USA is the "only" true industrialized democracy in the world. So through twisting words you make a true statement that has no relevance to your argument.

Also I do not know whether or not you are a Christian but please show a tiny bit of respect and spell Christian correctly.

Answer 3

Well I don't know what an "Xtian" is, but I base a lot of my voting up here in Canada based on who has the best proposals for maintaining the publicly funded health care system.

Canadians have a longer life span than do Americans, despite a harsher climate, which puts the lie to any baloney about institutionalized systems providing poor service. So I believe in the public system, which was first set up by a Saskatchewan Premier/United Church minister who was my grandfather's best friend. His Christian faith inspired this system, and my Christian faith is why I support it.

Answer 4

I don't think that a thousand people die each week because of no health insurance. Have you talked to any hospitals? doctors? etc. Or, did you just get your information from some liberal politician trying to institute a universal health care system?

Have you ever thought of the millions of people who would die because of institutionalized health care. Everybody knows that institutionalized health care is bad medicine. Everyone would end up getting poor service. People would be put on long lines trying to get free medical service and people would be dying in line waiting for service. Any service you got would be impersonal and provided by doctors who were poorly trained, working for a pittance, and without any concerns about your welfare. Is that the best you can offer?

Answer 5

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Answer 6

While I agree the lack of insurance for many is a problem, I once again must reiterate that trusting the government exclusively to handle insurance would be extremely dangerous.

I could potentially see something being done, with the government deferring the responsibility to selected HMOs, but we've generally seen what happens when our government tries to handle too much of the details themselves. (Read : Big Freakin' Mess. I think some Medicare participants are still traumatized by the changes to Medicare that happened at the beginning of 2006.)

Answer 7

Of course Christians care when people are hurt, sick or dying. It does not mean we think universal health care is a good road to go down. Our health care system needs a major overhaul, but I have a lot of Canadian friends who come to the States for treatment - the wait in Canada for simple procedures is extremely long. There is no perfect solution on the horizon.

Answer 8

Yes...we do care. However, the movers and shakers in Washington that want to do anything about it (if there are any) are more interested in making sure that homosexual couples get treated as if they are married and making sure that women can abort their babies than making sure that health care is affordable. If and when these people stop supporting these issues, then you would probably see more Christians supporting universal health care.

Answer 9

Not American but as a Brit in a country that has the National Health Service i'm very proud of it. We have the drawbacks that it can be inefficient, and non priority procedures have a wiating list in months, but it's much better than some alternatives i've seen

Answer 10

I'm still trying to figure out what Christians have to do with it.

The US health care "system" sucks. We all know it. But the problem is the giant bureaucracy that our government has become...and no one wants to take on that giant. Lets start with the FDA...it's run by ex drug company execs. Gee, I wonder where THEIR interests lie.

What to do?