All parts of the trinity equal?

Question

Why does this scripture mean John 14:28 “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.

Answer 1

The trinity? There is but one God...Jehovah, the Father and God Almighty...Yes Jesus is mentioned as Mighty God at Isaiah 9:6 and 7, but that does not put him equal with God. Also that same verse says: Princely rule

"For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

Princely meaning the Son of the King...Jehovah God...Almighty God....Jesus-Mighty God. Separate individual, under God.

Answer 2

The trinity is equal, three in one. Looking in Genesis, the word for God is Elohim, which means a plurality in Deity, yet they are one. In the gospel of John, it says "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God." You see, the word is Jesus Christ. Jesus was not created by God but is God. He and the Holy Spirit are equal to God the Father. The qualities that God has are the same qualities that Jesus has, nothing is lacking from either one.
It is also important to see that Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of how we think of a father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1,14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, "The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.'" In Bible times, the phrase “son of man” was used to describe a human being. The son of a man is a man.
Colosians 1:15 really speaks of Jesus in these terms that refer to His priority of position rather than His origin. This meaning is clear in Psalm 89:27: "Also I will make him My firstborn, / The highest of the kings of the earth." The assertion in 1:15, therefore, is that Christ, as the eternal Son, holds the position of priority in relation to all creation, in that He was before all things (v.17), He created all things (v.16), and in Him all things consist (v.17).
I think if people did not pick verses and take them out of context, they would see that Jesus is God and that all parts of the Trinity are equal.

Answer 3

In the trinity concept of Christianity... the existence of an Almighty God the Holy Father, Jesus as the son of God and a holy spirit forms part of the trinity. The existence of three independent entities forms the core teachings of Bible.

Like in a family Father is all powerful being the bread earner... next is the mother and their child less powerful than the two.

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Answer 4

Jesus was speaking from his humanity and in humility that as He Had taken on human flesh then the Father is greater, but now that Jesus has resumed His previous place in Heaven in His divine nature He is co-equal to and with the Father and Holy Spirit.

Answer 5

"You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I'" (John 14:28).

Jesus said the Father was greater than He not because Jesus is not God, but because Jesus was also a man and as a man he was in a lower position. He was ". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." (Heb. 2:9). Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus "emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . ."
Jesus has two natures. Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was merely acknowledging the fact that He was also a man. Jesus is both God and man. As a man, he was in a lesser position than the Father. He had added to Himself human nature (Col. 2:9). He became a man to die for people.
A comparison can be found in the marriage relationship. Biblically, a husband is greater in position and authority than his wife. But, he is no different in nature and he is not better than she. They share the same nature, being human, and they work together by love.
So, Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was simply acknowledging that He was also a man and as a man, he was subject to the laws of God so that He might redeem those who were under the law; namely, sinners (Gal. 4:4-5).

SCRIPTURES QUOTED:

Phil. 2:5-8, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

Col. 2:9, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,"

Gal. 4:4-5, "But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons."

Heb. 2:9, "But we do see Him who has been made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone."

Answer 6

The Bible says there is only one God. Yet, it says Jesus is God (John 1:1,14); it says the Father is God (Phil. 1:2); and it says the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4). Since the Son speaks to the Father, they are separate persons. Since the Holy Spirit speaks also (Acts 13:2), He is a separate person. There is one God who exists in three persons.

Answer 7

That text says it all. The father is greater. Jesus is person #2. There is no 3 in 1. Also, Jesus prayed to the father, not to himself. There was some other person up there, dahh.

Answer 8

The trinity:

God: The Father, the Creator

Jesus: The Son, the Savior.

The Holy Spirit: The one that dwells in my spirit. The Comforter

Three in one. And all Great in power.

Answer 9

Once again, speculating that Jesus lost his knowledge becoming a human on earth is NOT biblicaly proven, it is a DOGMA. The bible proves for itself VERY simply that Jesus is God almighty's son and first born creation by JEHOVAH.

Colossians 1:15"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation"

Answer 10

Trinity: A False Doctrine

[4:171] O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. You shall not say, "Trinity." You shall refrain from this for your own good. GOD is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. GOD suffices as Lord and Master.

[4:172] The Messiah would never disdain from being a servant of GOD, nor would the closest angels. Those who disdain from worshipping Him, and are too arrogant to submit, He will summon them all before Him.

[4:173] As for those who believe and lead a righteous life, He will fully recompense them, and shower them with His grace. As for those who disdain and turn arrogant, He will commit them to painful retribution. They will find no lord beside GOD, nor a savior.
http://www.submission.org/suras/sura4.htm

Today's Christianity Not Jesus' Religion*

[5:72] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers.

[5:73] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

[5:74] Would they not repent to GOD, and ask His forgiveness? GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[5:75] The Messiah, son of Mary, is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate!

[5:76] Say, "Would you worship beside GOD powerless idols who can neither harm you, nor benefit you? GOD is Hearer, Omniscient."

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*5:72-76 In John 20:17, we see that Jesus taught that he was neither God, nor the son of God. Many theologians have concluded, after careful research, that today's Christianity is not the same Christianity taught by Jesus. Two outstanding books on this subject are "The Myth of God Incarnate" (The Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1977) and The "Mythmaker" (Harper & Row, New York, 1986). On the front jacket of "The Mythmaker" we read the following statement:
" ...Hyam Maccoby presents new arguments to support the view that Paul, not Jesus, was the founder of Christianity....it was Paul alone who created a new religion through his vision of Jesus as a divine Saviour who died to save humanity."
http://www.submission.org/suras/sura5.htm




Did Jesus or his Apostles follow a religion called Christianity? Who were the first 'Christians' ? Who founded Christianity and do the teachings of Christianity conform to the teachings of Jesus?

The teachings of Paul, the true founder of Christianity, cannot be found anywhere in the teachings of Jesus or in those of prophets before him.
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