How can you justify migrant workers when there are thousands of people out of work living in the UK already?

Question

Should the government force employers to take on unemployed people for trial periods while still being paid benefit (make you work for your money).

Answer 1

It cannot be justified and should not be allowed.

Answer 2

From one boring old fart to another! You are quite right - except that unemployment in the UK is probably about 2.5million the same as it was when the Conservatives won the election back in the 1980s - but it's been camouflaged by New Labour Government in a number of different ways.

You may remember that people whose benefit is paid directly into their bank accounts are not counted in the unemployed numbers. Additionally people on training schemes are not included and neither are students at colleges of further education. Good reason for Tony to want 50% of school leavers to go to college - keeps them off the unemployed numbers game longer.

Whilst there are a great many lazy people out there, there are also a great many unemployed people out there whose natural aptitudes and abilities haven't ever been identified or their potential recognised. These are the people that the Government should be helping - there is enormous talent untapped because the education system has failed these individuals and they are now in a 'no hope' situation and trapped!

Tony and his lot have done nothing for these people in 10 years - and it disgusts me.

Answer 3

There could be perceptions that X might be hard working than Y and so X is more reliable etc also Y needs to be "retrained" (use whichever phrase you wish). v v difficult topic, trial period is good idea not to let people get used to the idea that its an easy life, but also gives the majority of unemployed who do want to work the opportunity to show that they are good workers. In each case it depends on what people believe in and what issues they think or believe should have priority.

Answer 4

Unemployment is very low in the UK compared to other countries. Most of the unemployment is in regions where traditional industry has moved away and the old workforce has not found it easy to adapt. And unlike our new arrivals, they are may be unwilling or unable to move to where the jobs are to be found, or to do them at the rates of pay available.

There are schemes to encourage employers to take on long term unemployed people but ultimately people are entitled to a fair wage for their work whether previously unemployed or coming from another job.

Answer 5

i think thats a good idea although they already do something similar if your on income support as for migrant workers that really poops me off im a single mum been out of work for a year and desperate to get back working but my town is literally over run with polish people who dont just work 1 but 3 and 4 jobs at a time, there are absolutely no jobs here its mad

Answer 6

Forcing people to work doesn't 'work'. It was tried in the US and here in the UK.... you can't force someone who is inherrently a lazy bug**r to work if they don't want to... irrespective of what you are offering (within reason of course). As an employer, we recruit and offer above the accepted and 'going' rates of remuneration for particular jobs. To be brutally honest, we cannot get UK citizen to take jobs.. they demand more and more for less and less. We use Employment Agencies to recruit for us and the last time we were recruiting, out of 13 applicants.... 1 was from the UK, 2 from Africa and the rest from Eastern Europe. Okay the jobs were not management jobs.. they were unskilled jobs... the type of work most people could do if they wanted to do so..... starting pay was £5.65 per hour whilst training, rising to £6.00 after one month, followed by a three month increment and finally annual reviews, 26 days paid holidays, guaranteed 35 hours per week possibly rising to 45 hours per week (after 40 hours its overtime rates)... Okay it wasn't the highest paid job... but we were not looking for highly skilled, highly qualified people... Even in our skilled jobs... Property Maintenance and associated trades... we still cannot get UK people... and we always pay well over the union and trade rates... without fail, when we advertise, we get 5% UK people apply and the rest are from the EU.
When I see and hear all these comments about EU & Eastern Europeans taking all of our jobs... I get a little angry... because if the UK people actually bothered to apply for jobs and were willing to work for the correct rates... everyone would probably be employed. The Eastern Europeans are taking the jobs that the Brits don't want to do... or consider beneath them. Sorry, I'll probably get lots of thumbs down from the xenophobics but this is the way it is!

Answer 7

If you want a job and a modicum of self respect you will get a job easily . Many of the unemployed are unemployable or happy sponging. Good luck to the Eastern Europeans.

Answer 8

you can take a horse to water but cant make it drink.

A lot of people on benefits are quite happy like that. If you give them a job but still give them JSA then they arent gonna turn up so why would (or should) employers take on these people

Answer 9

If you force anyone to work against thier will it will be unproductive and unprofitable! Migrants have been filling all countries for years. You can only go to make a better life for oneself elsewhere. Irish food famine!

Answer 10

U.K.? are you serious? I thought the U.K. is in natural unemployment rate most of the time. That means there aren't that many unemployeed workers who would affect the economy.

Answer 11

(1) They pay them as little as possible without long term contracts

(2) People here are quite happy sponging off the tax payers I say get them off their arses and make them do something