Question for Christian Fundamentalism (Omniscience and destiny)?

Question

Let's assume the following things:

1. God is omniscient
2. God has a plan for everyone's existence, destiny if you will.

Now, that means that everything that happens to a person is a result of God, it is his plan after all. So any transgression on the part of a person is their weak faith when God gives them a test of sorts. However, God already knew the outcome of said test, so by giving the test in the first place he is directly responsible for pushing a person in the direction of good or evil.

Thoughts on this from fundamentalists? Anyone? (Don't bother quoting scripture, someone rejecting God for the sake of argument will not let God's "word" convince them otherwise)

To Scotto:

Exodus 9:12 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

Seems to me that the LORD hardened the Pharaoh's heart, which means that as a result of the LORD, Pharaoh kept the Hebrews enslaved, leading to the death of many Egyptians. If disobeying God is the ultimate sin, and Moses spoke for God when he told the Pharaoh to let the people go, Pharaoh was forced by God to disobey; ergo, Pharaoh was forced to sin.

Answer 1

Why would you ask a fundamentalist christian to anwser your question if you dont want them to quote bible verses ? This is what we do !!
God does not cause anyone to sin
Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Answer 2

all knowing god and predestination.
think of life as a puzze. each person is a piece with corners that jut out and curves that cave in making that piece fit perfectly wherever it belongs. god placed you and everyone else exactly where they belonged in history so that their decisions and actions would piece together the giant puzzle. you, as the one putting together a puzzle, do not pull out a jigsaw and cut a piece to fit, do you? no, it is already cut and has a spot. just as god created each one to fit he does not later come up and make you sin, or not sin so as to push forward his agenda. this being said, what really makes no sense is why god punishes anyone. everyone is, afterall, just doing the will of god. if it were not so, then the "plan" would not be perfect. even Judas, betrayer of Christ, was merely acting on what god knew he would do. he was, therefore, created so that salvation could exist. many don't think about it, but judas is hugely responsible for everyone's salvation. now why would god punish such a man?

Answer 3

This is pretty much the Calvinism Theology of predestination. There is also Arminianism, which is a little less rigid and Open Theism which is almost polar oposite. Im more of an Open Theist where as I believe in free will... which God chooses not to know everything before it happens. Some things He does and is His will and He sets in motion but there are a lot of things that happen that He will let happen randomly and hasnt made everyones choices in life for them.

Answer 4

it's still your free will that pushes yourself toward the way you go. God doesn't push u a certain way. Yes he is all knowing, and yes he does have a plan for your life, but that does not mean that has FORCED you to take that path

Answer 5

Foreknowledge does not necessarily mean "foreordained".

God knows not only what will happen if we arrive at an intersection - and turn right...or turn left, or go straight ahead....He knows what could happen in an infinite number of possibilities. He is God. Omniscience not only mean "all knowledge of what will happen..." - it means knowledge of all possiblilites as well.

He is beyond all human knowledge and thought processes.

Answer 6

Briefly , this life does not belong to you. It will not be negotiable to your consent. You are to born wihtout yr consent, live without yr consent, old, suffer , painful and die without yr consent. You got that? It is the truth of the life. You have to toltally surrender to God and seek His mercy through faith.
Regardless of you believe in God or not, your whole life will be as it is. If you don't have faith and try to live yourself, you will not get strength to bare all those sufferings through yr life. because your whole body & mind does not belong to you. You can't trust yrself. Do not underestimate that you can control yrself when the sufferings (physically & mantelly) really come in yr life.

Answer 7

it all goes back to free will,he has a plan if you don't follow that plan you go in the wrong direction that's your fault....he knew what he wanted to happen,but he didn't know how you were going to go....its just like our sins when they are forgiven he don't remember them any more ...and there is some things we want know til we get there and find out....he does have secrets ...

Answer 8

The fault is in your minor premise.

God is not *for* us.

God knowing what will happen does not mean that He makes it happen. Knowledge is not the same as action. You know that if I jump in front of the bus, that I will be run over, and die. Because you know that, does that mean you are responsible fro me dying when I jump in front of the bus? Nope. Same thing with God.

Why do you think God should use His power to stop all the bad things from happening to people, when most of those things are simply the natural, normal result of their actions.

Not all things fall into this category, but it will do for here and now.

Why would not God's Word be useful?

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.

When Adam and Eve sinned, it was not their weak faith, but disobedience that got them (and us) into trouble. In fact, Eve was deceived, but Adam sinned knowing the truth:1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

It was a test for them, but their failure was not lack of faith, but disobedience. God did not make them sin, and He does not make you sin.

Paul said Romans 7:10-25
11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.
12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.
17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
21 find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Answer 9

You are so funny. Try as you might, you still end up looking like a fool. What if you are god, dreaming that you don't exist?

Answer 10

Fundamentalists don't understand logic, especially when it comes to religion. It's a blind spot for them.