To Christians?

Question

How can Jesus be in a trinity? There are so many verses like the following in the Bible- I thought only one would suffice--

John 14:24
"He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own
they belong to the Father who sent me."

He says they are not his own- making it hard for the theory of trinity if he was in fact the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit combined.

Answer 1

if jesus is god, then god is skitso, throughout the story of jesus, he is constantly talking to himself, and crying to himself. calling out to himself and talking about his "other self"

("my god my god why have you forsaken me")
- does this mean jesus/god has a higher god above him ?

if hes not god then christians who worship jesus as god are committing idolatry.

if jesus is the son of god then he is an angel. if he is son of man then he is just a mortal. if he is a mix of the 2 he is defined as nephilim by the bible, god deemed them as abominations.

majority of the reason for the flood of noah was to whipe out these nephilim.

nephilim were a race of "giants" (goliath was a known one)

they were men of renown, heroes of old - from the bible

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Numbers 13:32-33
32 And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, "The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. 33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Answer 2

It is hard for a lot of people to grasp the idea of the trinity. However if you go back and read in Genesis you will find that God had a part in creation, Jesus had a part in creation and the Holy Spirit had a part in creation. Each of these are separate entities but the have ONE divine nature. ALL are DIVINE and ALL have the same purpose. They each have their own work to do. In the plan of salvation, God designed it, Christ carried it out, and the Holy Spirit revealed it unto us through the scriptures. Therefore they are the members of the Godhead or Trinity and they work together in harmony to accomplish God's will. You might understand it this way: God is God the Father, Christ is God the Son and Holy Spirit is God the Holy Spirit. Together they are the Godhead. Hope this helps you.

Answer 3

The word "trinity", as you may know is not in the Bible. But a Biblical way of expressing the idea would be "Deity".

To say that Jesus is part of Deity does not mean that he is the Son, and at the same time the Father and the Holy Spirit. But it does mean that God is these not only one person, but three. It is interesting to notice, the word for God in hebrew, the original language in which the Old Testament was written, literaly translates in plural. It is hard for human mind to grasp the understanding of God... being one and three at the same time. But the Bible gives many evidence of Jesus' deity. Only one example I post for you to consider: Colossians 2:9.

Have a nice day.

Answer 4

He is not ALL of God, but rather a part of God, like a yolk is part of an egg.

There are also these verses:

Jesus said:
Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17
God is the first and the last.
God said:
I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4

and my Father are one. John 10:30

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...All things were made by him...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:1, 3, 10, 14

Jesus saith...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

Only God is worshipped.
... Then saith Jesus unto him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10
And Gos ALSO says:
And again, when [God] bringeth in the firstbegotten [Jesus] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews 1:6

Answer 5

Yes it is logical to percieve that they are three seperate and distinct entities while at the same time one in the same. Her is a simple analogy that may help with this looking at it from a logical stand point without going into great detail and quoting multiple verses.

Look at time. In the same way as the Holy Trinity you have three seperate fascets of time that altogether make-up time as a whole. You have the past, present and future. All three are seperate and distict yet you can't have the concept of time without anyone of them. Another analogy would be to look at matter. Matter can be liquid, solid or gas yet each one breaks down into the same substance (i.e. water, ice, steam).

Hope that helps. I know it's simplistic explanation, but it's the easiest one without having to type out this long detailed response that people don't like to read...and I am trying to break myself ofo the habit of doing that...lol

Answer 6

Agreed.

The trinity dogma is not taught in the Bible, but was adopted into apostate Christianity from paganism.

ADDED:
In the year 381 C.E., another council met in Constantinople and declared that the holy spirit should be worshipped and glorified just as the Father and Son were. One year later, in 382 C.E., another synod met in Constantinople and affirmed the full divinity of the holy spirit. That same year, before a council in Rome, Pope Damasus presented a collection of teachings to be condemned by the church. The document, called the Tome of Damasus, included among others the following statement:

"If anyone says that the Son who was made flesh was not in heaven with the Father while he was on earth: he is a heretic."

Answer 7

In the first place not all "Christians" believe in the Trinity, and if they do they still view 'it' in different ways - so you could get (and you see that you have) very many varying answers. I am a Catholic and we do believe in the Trinity. Even folks of various protestant sects all believe very differently on this issue and many other issues. Can never say "Christian" sweepingly and expect them all to agree..lol

Really just boil down to personal belief and understanding.

You can read why Catholics believe in the trinty with plenty of scripture to back it up here at this link:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

Answer 8

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

Answer 9

Jesus is not a Trinity. He is One in the Trinity.
Read Deuteronomy 6:4 in Hebrew:
Shema Yisroel Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echod
First "Adonai" is substituted for YHWH.
Secondly, the second name for God "Elohenu" is plural.
Look in Genesis 1:26
"Let US make man in OUR image and after OUR likeness..."
How many PLURAL PERSONAL PRONOUNS are there?
The word "trinity" may not appear in Scripture, but the concept is definitely there.

Answer 10

The trinity is like organs in your body. God is the brain, Jesus the heart, and the Holy Spirit is the lungs. Take any one away, and your body will cease to function. They are sepperate, but essential to live. Jesus, while a part of God, came to earth sepperate, to live as a man. That means, he had some knowledge of what God was doing, but was mostly living as a human. He had divine powers and rights, but he still had to do the will of God.

Answer 11

John 10:30 - Jesus said
I and the Father are one.