None of the prophets before Jesus (PBUH) mentioned the son of God, or the Trinity as an essential part of faith or belief, without which you are damned for all eternity. Instead they ALL preached a message of monotheism, a belief in One God, His worship, & gave us commandments. Yet, Christianity would have us believe that because ALL of us sin, there is no way we could do enough good deeds to get us in to heaven. Instead we should believe in the doctrine of the trinity (again, alien to ALL the prophets that came before Jesus (PBUH)) & abandon the things in the old testament, about praying (as Jesus himself did) Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.", fasting, not eating pork, usury....etc. Basically do what you like, as long as you believe that Jesus died for your sins & accept that fact, you've got a ticket into heaven?
2006-11-30
00:27:48
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Is it true you don't even know the word is spelt Mahram? And no, I drive, I am a medical professional & I run my own business.
2006-11-30
00:38:03 ·
update #1
I didn't make a statement, except to point out things in the bible. I was asking what you belive happened to the other prophets & pious people who didn't believe in the trinity? Simple question.
2006-11-30
00:39:37 ·
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Gramatically, my question is correct. I didn't specify particular prophets, I said ALL of them.....if you can't answer the question why post?
2006-11-30
00:41:00 ·
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You are right that Jesus prayed to his Father and taught us to do the same.
John 17:1-26;
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John 17:3,5,24 Jesus was with God before the world was. Col.1:15-17; Rev.3:14 He
is first creation, created in the image of God. As first created he qualifies to be the
SAVIOR OF THE WORLD because he loves us and his Father.
Job 38:4-7 The angel saw earth prepared for animals and man.
JESUS TAUGHT US TO PRAY
Matt.6:9-13 and with him in heaven, John 14:13,14,15,26,28 [ my Father is greater than I ]; John 16:23,26 So we pray to God the Father in Jesus name Matt.22:37-40 and we also keep the first and great commandment to love his Father with our whole being.
2006-11-30 00:44:01
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answered by jeni 7
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SInce you are asking about ALL of the prophets, the ones must often spoken of are Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah.
Lets see if the mentioned the deity of Jesus in their writings...
The Bible contains two references to Enoch. In Genesis 4 we are given six verses that discribe his life. Basicly it says he walked with God, and was taken to heaven. That is it. So if we want to know what Enoch believed, we have to look to the only recording statement in the Bible by Enoch. That is quoted in the New Testament book of Jude, verse 14,15. There is speaks of Jesus coming from heaven with his saints, and addresses him using the word "Lord", the New Testament equavalent of the name "Yahwah" or "Jehovah". So according to the prophet Enoch, Jesus Christ is Jehovah God. Enoch prophecied that diety of Jesus. That would mean that Enoch believed in the Trinity.
Abraham: In Genesis 15, the Bible records how Abraham was to cut a convenat with God. He laid out the animals, in preparation to walk between them to seal the covenant. But God caused him to fall into a "sleep" (we would probably use "trance" because he was awake enough to witness what happened, he just could not move), and then a flaming furnance and a smoking pot appeared and walked through the pieces together. This was God the Father and God the Son cutting a convenat between. You can not cut a convenant with only one person, and Abraham was not involved. So God cut the covenant with Himself. The Father cutting it with the Son. So Abraham saw the Trinity.
In Genesis 22, God tells Abraham to take his son Issac to a mountain to sacrifice him. As they approach the alter, Isaac asked where the animal for the sacrifice is. Abraham replies "God will provide Himself a sacrifice". Abraham was looking ahead to when Jesus, was God Himself, would come as the sacrifice for sin. He did not say that God would provide a sacrifice, he said that God would provide HIMSELF as the sacrifice. This is echoed by the John the Baptist in John 1:29 when he introduces Jesus to the world as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. So Abraham prophecied the Trinity and the deity of Jesus
Moses: Received from God not only the moral laws like the 10 commandments, but the rituals of sacrifice such as the sin offerings, the Passover, etc. Again, in each of these rituals, the coming sacrifice of Jesus is loudly proclaimed. Look within the Tabernacle that God instructed Moses to build and you will see the Trinity in the Incense Alter (Father), Showbread Table (Son) and Candlestick (Holy Spirit) within the Holy Place.
You will see the Trinity in the three wafers of bread of the Passover meal, the middle one is broken and then hidden away. Whoever finds it receives a blessing and a promised reward for it. This is the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Son was broken on the cross, and hidden away for a time in the grave, so that all who find him receive the blessing and promised rewards of God. Moses clearly understood the Trinity, and taught it in the rituals of the law.
You will see the Deity of Christ honored by Moses in Matthew 17 when Moses and Elijah appear with Jesus at the Transfiguration.
Isaiah, prophesies of Jesus in numerous place. Chapter 53 has already been quoted. (I note that you reject it because the first writer did not mention ALL the prophets. That still does not invalidate the words of ONE of the prophets). Go to chapter 7 of Isaiah and he speaks there of the deity of Jesus. He says that the one who will be born of a virgin (and even the Quran agrees that that is Jesus) would be Emmanuel, which means "God with us". Isaiah calls Jesus God. He believed in and prophecied the deity of Jesus. See Matthew 1:23 for the fulfill of the prophecy.
Isaiah again, in Chapter 9, speaks of Jesus. He states there that Jesus is Almight God (Elohim in the original - that is as "God" as you can get), and part of the three called the Overlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, and the Wonderful Counselor. Isaiah affirms again both the deity of Jesus and the Trinity.
Noah: He takes a little more work. There is no mention in Genesis 6-9 of anything that Noah taught of prophecied. He is also not quoted anywhere else. So the only thing we can look at is how the Bible interpretes his action of building the ark. Did that show a connection to the Trinity? 1 Peter 3:20-21 says that because Noah build the ark, "eight souls were saved by water." It says that this is "a figure of baptism which does now save us through faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ". Note that following the instructions of Jesus (Matthew 28:19), baptist is done in the name of "the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit". So there is a direct connection between the prophet Noah and the teaching of the Trinity.
The choose now is yours. Do you actually believe what ALL the prophet said and taught, that Jesus was divine - God Himself - or do you only claim to believe them, but reject what they actually said?
2006-11-30 01:55:57
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answered by dewcoons 7
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Religion for the most part doesn't care about prophets merely some prophets as for the most part they end conversation on the matter by rhetorical solipsisms. This is true for most sects, for on religious grounds if these "religions" open up conversation then they rehash what has been glossed over for thousands of years, Grammatically your question is rambling and poorly phrased as it does not specify which prophets fror whom, where or why.
2006-11-30 00:35:52
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answered by andrew_zito 2
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Ancient people worshiped the sun, trees, moon, sun, and other inanimate objects. When they realized this was idiotic they invented a single God. Religion was a form of law for uncivilized people it was in fact an improvement. However the blind obedience to there faiths has cost the lives of millions. Just like the pagans moved on. We as a civilized society should move on. Please learn about science. Please stop rejecting science. Please stop the madness. Cant you see none of you religions are accurate on any level.
2006-11-30 00:40:21
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answered by Anonymous
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Jesus warned us AGAINST FALSE PROPHET's...my sister....HE didn't mention how many or which ones...but HE
did say....let he who has an ear ....hear......The Bible is the word of GOD and not some primitive PHYSIC..hello..
2006-11-30 01:00:05
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answered by Anonymous
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I'm willing to answer any question you have of Christianity (particularly Catholicism, which I practice) if you state it as a question and not a "Gee, you're not doing what my religion does so you're wrong" kind of statement.
2006-11-30 00:35:24
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answered by sister steph 6
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You twisted that ALLLLL up!
Only Jesus Christ entering your heart is your one way to Heaven Your deeds ain't gonna get it!
Get it?
2006-11-30 00:43:01
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answered by bettyboop 6
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Many prophets told of the coming of jesus...isaiah was the most prolific. but also malachi(Malachi 3:1-6 ) and daniel(Daniel 9:25)
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Isaiah 53
1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
2006-11-30 00:41:04
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answered by Robert K 5
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Sorry,,It took me a while to answer, but you wanted an answer about the Trinity, it takes a while for me to type as I (Hunt and peck) in typing, so here is your answer.
The Trinity in the Bible
Historical Developments of the Doctrine of the Trinity
The term trinity is not found in the Bible but is a theological word which expresses the clear teaching of Holy Scripture, especially the New Testament. The first theologian of the church to use the term was Theophilus who spoke of God as trius.
The great Latin Church father Tertullian first developed the concept of trinitas, one God in Three Persons. Though the Fathers of the Church in the second and third centuries spoke of the three Persons of the Godhead while recognizing that there was but one God, the councils of Nicea (A.D. 325) and Constantinople (A.D. 381) gave the fullest expression to the Biblical doctrine.
The Bible Explicitly Teaches That There is Only One God
THE TEACHING OF THE OLD TESTAMENT
Belief in one God in the ancient Mediterranean world was unique to the nation of Israel. The faith of Israel is given in the famous Shema “Hear , O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one” (Deut.6:4). Repeatedly the teaching of the Law and the pronouncements of God’s prophets confirm this absolute truth.
THE TEACHING OF THE NEW TESTAMENT
The church continued the teaching of the Hebrew Scriptures as well as the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ, that there is only One God (see 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:6; 1 Tim. 2:5). This it did in contrast to the rampant polytheism that permeated the Greco-Roman world with its multitude of gods, including worship of the emperor as a god during the latter half of the first century. As the apostles and later the church began to articulate this monotheism against pagan religion, it was necessary to explain how this belief in one God was consistent with the concurrent belief that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each God and yet still only one God.
SCRIPTURE TEACHES THAT THREE PERSONS ARE ONE GOD
GLIMPSES OF THE TRINITY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
Use of the word Elohim with Singular Verbs
The usual word for God in the Hebrew is Elohim. This noun is in the plural, whereas in several places the term for God is a singular, such as EL or Eloah. In spite of the plural term for God, the true Jewish faith was strongly monotheistic. When Elohim is used regarding the God of Israel, it is used with singular verbs, indicating that the God of Israel is a single being. The plural allows for a plurality of expression for God, as later revealed in the New Testament, but Hebrew grammar may also simply be using a plural of plenitude.
Use of plural personal Pronouns
On Three occasions the Old Testament uses plural personal pronouns when speaking of God. The first occurrence refers to the creation of humanity: “Let Us make man in Our image” (Gen. 1:26). The second pertains to God deciding to confuse human languages at the tower of Babel: “let Us go down” (Gen. 11: 6-9). The last reference is to the call to mission: “Who will go for Us?” (Is. 6:1-8).
THE ANGEL OF THE LORD
Several times in the Hebrew Scriptures, references is made to “The Angel of the Lord” (Yahweh). It is evident from the contexts that thee references do not speak simply of a created messenger of God but of God Himself. In certain contexts the Angel of the Lord is identified as God Himself (Gen. 16:7-13; 18:1-22), but in others He is distinguished from God (Gen. 19:1-28, especially v. 24; Zech. 1: 12, 13; see also Mal.3:1). Such appearances most likely are of the preincarnate Christ, who is the revelation of the Father (John 1:18;Heb. 1:1-13). After the incarnation such appearances of the Angel of the Lord end, for now the revelation of God is present as a human in the person of Jesus Christ (compare Ex.14:19 with Ex. 23:20; 1 Cor.10:4).
THE EXPLICIT TEACHING OF THE NEW TESTAMENT
The teaching of Jesus Christ on His Relationship to the Father and the Holy Spirit
Jesus is the Son of the Father. Jesus calls himself the Son of God, and He also calls God His Father in a way that implies a profoundly unique association. Moreover, Jesus claims a relationship with God the Father as a partner from all eternity. At other times Jesus makes statements and does deeds that cause others to recognize His claims to equality with God. The specific charge of blasphemy made against Christ was His admission to being the Son of God (Luke 22;70). These texts identify the person Jesus, preexistent to the world, as being God and yet distinct from God the Father. Like Jesus the Son, the Holy Spirit is also a divine Person. Before Christ left the earth to be with the Father, He promised a Comforter similar to but distinct from Himself. He and the Father come to the believer through this Person, the Holy Spirit. In a sense, each Christian is identified with the Triune God. Jesus in His prayer for believers in John 17 indicate that God would dwell with believers in Christ, “I in them and You in Me” (John 17:23).
THE TEACHING OF THE APSTLES ON THE TRINITY
God is called the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ as well as of Christians (Eph. 1:2; Phil. 1:2; 2 John 3). The apostle John specifically calls Jesus God (John 1;1, 18; 8:58). In several places Paul identifies Jesus as God (Rom. 9:5; Phil.2:6; Titus 2;13), as does Peter (2 Peter 1;1). The Holy Spirit is declared to be God by Peter (Acts 5:4) and is listed alongside the Father and the Son (Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor.13:14).
2006-11-30 03:13:41
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answered by Anonymous
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You are speaking of Catholic dogma I believe, which not all Christians adhere to.
2006-11-30 00:32:26
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answered by bandit 3
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