Did Moses, Noah,Joseph,David etc died with their original sin/ without salvation?

Question

Since the death of Jesus on the cross is the centre of all Christian theology. All statements about God, about creation, about sin and death have their focal point in the crucified Christ. All christians statements about history, about church, about faith and sanctification, about the future and about hope stem from the crucified christ. Blood for salvation, no blood no salvation.

What will happen to all their good deeds?

1 Corinthians 15:14
Isaiah 64:6

Answer 1

What a wonderful question! I love it when people really think and ask questions. It is only by asking that you will receive an answer. I can only hope that, by the time you get to MY long-winded answer, you will not have given up reading because of SO MANY answers.

A couple other answerers made some good points. I'd like to tie them together.

1st, the Bible explains death is the penalty for sin, but once a person dies, he is acquitted of his sin. At Romans 6:7 it explains: "For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin."

Romans 6:23 explains: "For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord."

So, all who died before Jesus was sacrificed were acquitted of their sin at death, though they did not at that time have redemption from their sin and therefore the prospect of resurrection. (Psalm 49:7-9)

As the apostle Paul was inspired to explain in the book of Hebrews (2 Timothy 3:16, 17), the animal sacrifices of the Law covenant could not completely cover sin, or else they would not have had to be offered year after year. Those sacrifices, especially the ones on the Day of Atonement, were but a “shadow of the good things to come.” (Heb. 10:1-4; 8:5, 6; 9:9, 10) The reality that was foreshadowed was the ransom sacrifice of Christ that could fully atone for all our sins.

Therefore, those worshiping God before Jesus came were given physical ways to help them visualize their need for the coming Messiah, through their sacrifices year after year, among other traditions and laws.

The entry of Jesus Christ to make propitiation for the sins of humankind and thus effect a release was not an entry into any earthly temple. “For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands [as the high priest of Israel did] which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us. . . . the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many.” (Heb. 9:24-28) It was into the presence of Jehovah God in heaven that Christ went, following his resurrection, to offer the merit of the perfect lifeblood he had poured out, this to effect a permanent release for those of mankind who would exercise faith in the merit of that ransom.

Those who lived before Jesus definitely looked intently forward to the time when God would provide such a ransom. Therefore, since they were not redeemed and given the hope of resurrection until after Jesus came to earth and died, they wait in the grave, or "Sheol," unconscious (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10) until the time comes for them to be resurrected when the earth is cleansed of wickedness (Psalms 37:10, 11, 29), those who practiced good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. (John 5:25-30) They will be given the opportunity to prove where their loyalties lie, so to speak, at that time in the future. But that is another subject. If you're interested in information about that, please contact me.

In the meantime, I really hope you feel more satisfied with this answer.

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Answer 2

Actually, the death and blood of Christ saved all believers from the moment He died in both directions. That is, all believers from before Christ's death, and all believers afterward, were saved as a result of His death. They believed in the coming of one who would save them, though He wasn't there yet; they understood that their good deeds could not save them. They hoped in the promise of salvation, like believers do today.

Today, Christians don't have what some call "concrete proof" of Christ's death, and neither did the believers of the past. It's really not very different. None have been saved except through Christ's payment for their sins.

Sorry if that was hard to understand or anything. Please email me if you want me to clarify something. This is a topic that I have been blessed to understand a little bit.

God bless. Have a nice day.

Answer 3

Matthew 27: 52 = and tombs opened, The bodies of many godly men and women who had died were raised from the dead. 53; they left the cemetary after Jesus' resurrection. went into the holy city of Jerusalem, and appeared to many people.

even though their died with sin, their righteousness outweighed their sins and they were true followers of God. God remembers them and sent them to a place that was close to Hell, it was temporary Paradise called Abraham's Bosom. The Old Testament saints went there only temporary because no one was allowed to enter Heaven, until God's mysterious plan(Jesus Christ) would be born on Earth, was crucified and died on the cross, and rose again.

After Jesus died on the cross, He went to Hell or Abraham's Bosom, preached to the captives of that prison and set them free. Jesus took their spirits with them when He was resurrected. Which it is documented that more than 500 people saw the Old Testament saint's spirits. They ascended with Jesus when He ascended into Heaven.

Answer 4

Check every description of these men and you will find a statement rings true for each "He walked with God", "He was a man after God's own heart", "He loved God".

Is this not the message of Jesus? That it is NOT the sin or lack thereof that gets you salvation from sin, but loving God. It is loving God and desiring His prescence in your life that earns you salvation and Jesus had to come and point the way for us who did not get that message the first time lol.

"love covers a multitude of sins"

Answer 5

Before Christ died, men made blood sacrifices of animals to God.
When Christ died , He became the ultimate sacrifice and animal offerings were no longer needed

Answer 6

I would say that the "No blood, no salvation" doctrine is not in keeping with the overall message of the bible, but rather its interpretation by Paul and others.

Perhaps this might help:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/pages/descriptions/05/304.html

For a more mainstream point of view try this link:
http://www.layman.org/layman/news/2006-news/tutu-god-is-not-christian.htm

This may require a rethinking of biblical interpretation, but it might be warranted. Good luck

Answer 7

"All" is a big word, particularly when it's used in reference to Christians. Man wil not be punished for sins other than his own - that, in part, was the purpose of Christ dying on the cross. With regard to good works, read from James below. some Christians believe that all you have to do is believe in Christ and that is enough to be saved. James seems to think otherwise.

James 2:16-24 KJV

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye agive them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not bworks, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for brighteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Answer 8

Righteousness was counted unto them because of their faith in the coming Savior Jesus Christ - see Hebrews 11. They looked forward to the promise and accepted it by their sacrifice of a lamb for their sins.

In infinite love and mercy God made Christ, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that in Him we might be made the righteousness of God. Led by the Holy Spirit we sense our need, acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our transgressions, and exercise faith in Jesus as Lord and Christ, as Substitute and Example. This faith which receives salvation comes through the divine power of the Word and is the gift of God's grace. Through Christ we are justified, adopted as God's sons and daughters, and delivered from the lordship of sin. Through the Spirit we are born again and sanctified; the Spirit renews our minds, writes God's law of love in our hearts, and we are given the power to live a holy life. Abiding in Him we become partakers of the divine nature and have the assurance of salvation now and in the judgment. (2 Cor. 5:17-21; John 3:16; Gal. 1:4; 4:4-7; Titus 3:3-7; John 16:8; Gal. 3:13, 14; 1 Peter 2:21, 22; Rom. 10:17; Luke 17:5; Mark 9:23, 24; Eph. 2:5-10; Rom. 3:21-26; Col. 1:13, 14; Rom. 8:14-17; Gal. 3:26; John 3:3-8; 1 Peter 1:23; Rom. 12:2; Heb. 8:7-12; Eze. 36:25-27; 2 Peter 1:3, 4; Rom. 8:1-4; 5:6-10.)

Answer 9

OT saints were taken to paradise. a place separated from heaven where they were cared for by god. once christ died and resuurected the doors of heaven were open and those saints were taken to be with the father. This can be seen in many places in the bible but the most clearly is christ speaking to the thief on the cross beside him...

Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Answer 10

Those who lived 'prior to Jesus' and those who have lived 'since Jesus' but have not heard the teachings will all be resurrected and given an opportunity to accept the creator's sovereignty before they are judged. Until then, they are asleep in death. They are not in heaven or 'hell'.