If god is all knowing, all powerful, and all good, why is there evil and innocent suffering?

Answer 1

Atheists often claim that the presence of evil is an argument against the existence of God. The Christian God is supposed to be both loving and all-powerful. Despite these characteristics, God seems to be unable or unwilling to prevent the vast amount of evil and suffering in the world. The atheist concludes that either God is not loving or not all-powerful or that God does not exist, because if He did exist, He could stop all the suffering. The atheistic arguments contain some subtle assumptions that, as I will show, do not apply to the God of the Bible and His created universe. Even the assumption that evil and suffering are bad for us must be questioned in light of what the Bible says.

The atheists' logical argument
What I have found is that atheists like to say that their arguments against God's existence specifically exclude the God of the Bible as a God who could exist. However, in reality, atheists produce generic arguments against a generic God whose characteristics and creation do not match those that are described in the Bible. Atheists may not accept what the Bible says, but they cannot say the God of the Bible cannot logically exist and then ignore what the Bible has to say about the characteristics of God. If the atheist states that the God of the Bible is logically impossible, he cannot pick and choose which arguments from the Bible to accept in order to "prove" his point. Let's formalize the atheist's arguments:

God is all-powerful, loving, and perfect.
A perfect, loving God would create a universe that was perfect (e.g., no evil and suffering).
The universe is not perfect but contains evil and suffering.

Therefore, God does not exist.
The Bible's ResponseThe Bible does state that God is "all powerful." In the Old Testament, one of God's titles is "El Shadday," which is translated "God Almighty."1 The Bible also states that God is loving.2 In fact, the Bible indicates that God is love.3 The Bible also indicates that God is perfect.4 So, we can agree that the first statement is a correct interpretation of what the Bible says about the characteristics of God.

The next statement indicates that a perfect, loving God must create a universe that is perfect. This is the statement that is false and invalidates the argument. Nowhere does the Bible state that the universe was created to be perfect. God Himself called it "good"5 and "very good,"6 but never "perfect." In fact, God Himself stated that part of the original creation was "not good."7 The Bible states that the current universe is not perfect,8 but was designed to be temporary9 and will be replaced with a perfect universe10 that will be permanent.11 Science also tells us that the universe was designed to be temporary.12

Why two creations instead of one?
Why would God create an imperfect, temporary universe only to replace it later with a perfect one? Why wouldn't God have created a perfect universe in the first place? This is a good question, but shows a lack of understanding of the biblical reason of why God created the universe. One can find the reason for the creation of the universe in the first few chapters of the Bible. God created humans in order to have a personal relationship with them, which He had with Adam and Eve before they sinned (Genesis 2). Jesus said that the first and foremost commandment was to "Love the Lord your God..."13 A personal relationship, characterized by the possibility of love, is only possible if created beings are given free will. If God had created the universe with no possibility of evil or sin, then the created beings would have had no free will, and, as such, would essentially be programmed computers. Such beings would be incapable of love, since love involves making a choice - which requires the ability to choose not to love. For example, I can program my computer to say "I love you" when it starts up. Does this mean that the computer really loves me? Of course not! Likewise, God could have programmed humans to say that they loved Him, without the possibility of rejecting Him or performing evil deeds. However, these programmed beings would exhibit about as much true love as my computer - not a very satisfying relationship. Therefore, God created the universe for the express purpose of allowing free will spiritual beings the opportunity to have fellowship with Him (and likewise, reject Him).

What does God want?
God's purposes in creating the universe go beyond merely creating free will beings that love Him in this temporary universe. Jesus explained the ultimate goal of God in the parable of the banquet:

Jesus replied: "A certain man [representing God] was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, 'Come, for everything is now ready.' But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, 'I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.' Another said, 'I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I'm on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.' Still another said, 'I just got married, so I can't come.' The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, 'Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.' 'Sir,' the servant said, 'what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.' Then the master told his servant, 'Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in, so that my house will be full. (Luke 14:16-23)

Therefore, God wants not only a relationship with humans in this universe, but a relationship with billions14 of these creatures in His future, perfect creation. If God's purpose is to have relationships with free will beings in a future creation, then there must be a means by which these beings can make a choice to enter or not enter into this relationship. The means by which we make this choice is exactly the message of the Bible.

Therefore. the Bible says that God allows temporary, bounded evil15 in order to allow free will beings to have the ability to love and to make choices. I am going to propose something which seems to support that atheists' arguments regarding evil. I agree that there is a lot of evil in the world. In fact, I think that there is too much evil in the world to be explained by naturalistic processes. The fact is that there is too much evil in the world to be explained by chaos theory or the laws of physics. Evolution provides no answers to explain the vast amount of evil done by mankind. None of the other creatures on our planet have the capacity for evil that mankind does. No other mammals kill arbitrarily. They only kill to eat and survive - but not mankind. Just watch the nightly news or read your newspaper. Look at all the evil perpetuated in the last century alone - 6 million Jews killed by Hitler, 40 million Russians killed by Stalin, 2 million Cambodians killed by their own government in the 1970's. In fact, the Pol Pot regime specifically preached atheism and sought to exterminate all religious expression in Cambodia. In addition to the these atrocities, there have been hundreds of massacres committed in virtually every nation of the world. The Bible says that the presence of evil is due to the spiritual component of our nature - something that animals do not possess. God endowed His spiritual creatures (humans and angels) with free will to love God or to oppose Him. The most powerful created being (the angel Satan) rebelled and led one third of the angels into opposition against God. Those humans who oppose or ignore God follow Satan into rebellion - either consciously or unconsciously. Some people blame the evil on "society." However, society is composed of individuals who make individual choices. Most the evil is committed by people who oppose the will of society. In contrast, there are many examples of societies in the animal kingdom, especially among the primates. None of these societies have the capacity for evil that we do. We are different from all other animals on our planet - a fact that has no scientific or evolutionary explanation.16

Why pain is necessary
The atheist also makes the assumption that all pain, suffering, and death is bad or evil. In fact, physical pain is absolutely vital to our survival. If we felt no pain, we would do things to ourselves that could be very destructive.17 For example, if we didn't feel pain when we touched a hot object, we would not react until we saw our flesh smoking. This is obviously not a good thing to do. Pain tells us we need to react to a situation before serious damage occurs.

Natural vs. spiritual evil
As discussed previously, much of the suffering experienced in the world is a direct result of free will beings making evil choices that impact others. God is not responsible for the free will choices (e.g., murder, rape, etc.) of other spiritual beings. However, some of the suffering experienced in this world are the result of natural disasters, such as earthquakes, volcanoes, storms, etc. Even so, plate tectonics, volcanoes, and storms are absolutely necessary in order for life to exist on this planet. All of these activities were significantly higher earlier in the Earth's history. God waited until the levels of these potentially destructive forces were reduced prior to the introduction of humans onto the planet.

Evil as a means of spiritual growth
Many things that people consider to be bad are, in fact, useful in our spiritual growth. The Bible says that trials in our lives produce perseverance, which helps make us mature and complete.18 These trials also increase our faith - a "refining by fire."19 The Bible tells us that "all things to work together for good to those who love God."20 Let me give you a couple concrete examples in my own life that illustrate these points.

I got very sick in 1985, at which time the tests revealed I had Crohn's disease, a serious, incurable inflammatory disease of the intestines. I found myself unable to do things using my own abilities and strength. I was bedridden in severe pain for two months, with the medicine doing nothing to improve my condition. I considered that I would probably spend the rest of my life in pain, in and out of hospitals. Not being able to do anything else in my own strength, I cried out to God and promised to try to follow Him and do what He wanted me to do (although I had no idea what that was at the time). Within three months all symptoms of Crohn's disease had disappeared. The trial was awful at the time, but God had to break my will, so that, when I heard the gospel of Jesus Christ three years later, I accepted it and turned my life over to Jesus, which has been the greatest joy of my life. In addition, I am much more thankful for my good health since that time of trial, and have been more sympathetic and helpful to others who are undergoing similar trials.

In 1996 my wife Carole and I learned that she had an inoperable brain tumor, and was expected to live four to seven years. We had been married only seven years and had three sons, aged 5, 3 and 1 years old at the time. The time since then has been difficult, but it has produced some remarkable changes in Carole. Her interest in jewelry, clothes, and other unimportant things has been replaced by a heightened commitment to family, and raising our boys. She also is more committed to helping others and regularly offers help as she is able. In addition, during this time God has been faithful to answer our prayers and comfort us through the many people who have loved us. What has been abundantly clear is that those people who have gone through the most severe trials are the ones who have ministered most to us. The trials these people have experienced have made them sensitive to the needs of others in similar situations, in ways that only they can understand. I know through this trial God will make me a better ambassador of Jesus Christ, and bring me opportunities for ministry which I would have ignored, had I not gone through this experience. If you talk to other Christians, you will find that it is through trials that they grow in their character and their faith. During the "easy" times, we become complacent. For the non-Christian, he sees the trials as mere annoyance or pointless suffering, often resulting in bitterness.

Conclusion

God did not design this universe to be perfect, but as a temporary creation where free will beings make choices about where they want to spend eternity (in the new creation, which will be perfect).

The new creation will be perfect, but will not have absolute free will for its inhabitants. We must agree in this life to give up some of our free will in the next life. Those who are unwilling to give up their own free will choices will not be forced to do so in the next life. However, they will have to be separated from the new creation, since God is unwilling to compromise His character.
All people will suffer at least somewhat because of bad choices that others make. In addition, because of the temporary nature of the universe, some bad things will happen to us due to "bad luck" or chance. However, these things will teach us to be more sensitive to the needs of others, and will prepare us to show God's love to others when they suffer through similar things. God want us to learn from this life, not just have a party.

Answer 2

Do you keep asking this over-and-over or are there really this many people who keep wondering this? I'll break it down....

ALL KNOWING

Now the argument would probably be, "if God foresees suffering, he should do something to keep it from happening". However, bad events can be constructive or lead to good. For instance in Genesis we read of Joseph being thrown into the well by his jealous brothers. Certainly that was not a happy event. Could God have magically made the well disappear before Joseph could be thrown into it? Perhaps, but look at what eventually happened - Joseph gained authority in Egypt and saved his family, and the entire civilization, from famine. Another example, Paul, the Pharisee... He killed Christians, and from what we can tell he virtually annihilated all the Christians in Jerusalem. But God did not strike him down or keep him from committing his evil acts, because there was some greater purpose to it. Now we all have our own testimony, but hasn't something happened in your life that you thought was just terrible but somehow it turned out to be a blessing? For my own part, I had been struggling with some sin and when it publicly became known what my sin was, I felt really bad, and I wouldn't "wish" for that to come out, but it turned out to be good because it helped me to overcome that sin. So the fact that God is all-knowing ALLOWS for bad things to happen, because if he only saw the short-term, he may instead stop many unfortunate events, but since he can see both the long-term and short-term, he makes his own decision on what is best.

ALL POWERFUL

Again, this has to deal with the power to interfere in human events. Moreso though, one may argue, "If God is all-powerful, why doesn't he just Destroy evil/Satan, etc". Well this really has to do with free-will. God wants you to follow his will, true, but he doesn't want forced attrition. In other words, he doesn't want you to follow him because if you don't you'll be hit by lightning. God just wants a relationship with us, for whatever reason he considers us valuable. If he wanted, he can program us so we unquestionably follow his will, but if he did so we would not have free-will, we would be mere machines. Now you can love a machine all you want, but you cannot program it to love you back. God wants us to love him, but he doesn't want to force us to love him, so he lets us either turn from him or toward him.

Couple these two, if God is all-knowing, and all-powerful, why not create just the people who will follow him? Again, even the "lost" person is capable of performing some good, for instance perhaps someone's sin will make another person realize how they need to turn to God. Thus, even though one person may be lost, they might turn entire families to God. Have you ever heard a testimony where someone lost a relative, and after the relative died they did not know if the relative went to heaven, so they decided to devote more to God? This is an example of how a potentially "lost" person can even achieve some good.

ALL GOOD

Remember, God gave us free will and because of that, we have a responsibility for what we do. Because we are fallable, we can seriously mess things up. This is not really God's fault, because on one had we are either mindless machines or on the other we are fallable. I'd rather have a conscience than be a machine, so you can't really blame God that our free-will sometimes leads to sin. God does not will for us to do bad things.

If it was daytime I could continue but I don't know half of what I'm saying anymore. I've said all of this about 20 times so far on Yahoo Answers so I may be mixing things up. I should just start cutting and pasting for this question.

Answer 3

This is a good question for ewtn.com - go to their q and answer page where you can ask a question about the faith. I look at it this way - Jesus suffered, we suffer. but there is great glory in the end which is heaven where there is no suffering and no sin. God always brings about a greater good from suffering. God Bless!

Answer 4

God is allowing mankind to realize the sorrows of turning in the international to devil. This befell in the backyard of Eden, whilst Adam & Eve first sinned. We share this international with the devil and his evil cohorts. the terrific any people can do is chosen the edge of God, settle for Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and conflict against the evil of the international. to no longer to that then you certainly alter into element of the subject and not the answer. in the top God will supply up all this and that's the desire of all Christians whilst God intervenes. could you be waiting immediately if God did intrude? because of the fact while you at the instant are not on His area you're on the edge of devil. once you alter right into a Christian you at the instant are not on the mercy of evil, you're taking potential over it on your existence and those you touch.

Answer 5

The concept of a "God" is unavoidable in human life which is full of uncontrollable events and consequences.

If you think about it, the world can't exist without the concept of "God" as long as there are people on this planet.

There is evil and sufferings because of the human nature. By nature, we are corrupt and selfish. The "God" exists in order to justify our selfish desires and acts.

God does not exist. If God exists, there would be no evil and sufferings. Of course, my Christian friends always tell me that the God wants me to have the free will and choose.

Sorry. There is no God.

Answer 6

There is no God

There is evil and innocent suffering because we are just animals, nothing special. Different species of Dog, and Cat fight. It's all about Jealousy, and Greed. Like animals humans get jealous and greedy and wind up jus destroying each other.

Answer 7

Albert Einstein once said: "from a physics perspective, cold is merely the absence of heat, and darkness is only the absence of light. So by extrapolation, evil could simply be the absence of good."

Answer 8

I'm sure you heard it a thousand times in your life.
We live in a fallen world where Satan has dominion over the Earth.
Look at the twelve disciples,each one died in a horrific way.
God does not promise believers' will not suffer tribulations and trials in this world.
Be not overcome for Jesus took the sin for us and overcame death.
God Bless

Answer 9

If you can't choose evil, you have no choice. Without choice you have no free will. Without free will you can't develope into an individual who is responsible for your own actions and most importantly, without suffering you cannot into a considerate human being. Opposites exist because you can't really appreciate one without the other.

Answer 10

Never seen and up without a down or an in without an out. There are always 2 sides to everything. Rich/Poor....Good/Evil.... Best way I can explain it without getting all theological.

Answer 11

Its called " FREE WILL" but then again u can also blame Eve for taking a bite out of the apple and Adam for doing the same... Monkey see monkey do.