Where were we before we born, and wouldn't we just go there once we died?

Question

And if we were in heaven then why don't we remeber and if that were the case would we remeber this when we died.

Answer 1

We were nowhere before we were born and we will go to 'nowhere' after we die

Answer 2

Great question!

God says in the Holy Qur'an that before human beings were put on this Earth, He asked all of us when we were just in the state of Soul: "Am I not your Lord?" All souls having been programmed with the right knowledge of this responded: "Indeed". So how come none of us remember this? Because the soul does not have the memories our mind does. After God asked us this question, He put us into our minds and bodies and we were born into this world. Because our Soul is branded with the knowledge that God is our Lord, it also has a conscience to know right from wrong. How would we know what is right or wrong if God did not program some part of us to know? That is our soul. The Mind and Body muddy up the information and that is the test, to see if our soul will prevail or our false identities or EGO which exist in the temporary mind and body of this world. Once our mind and body dies, we resume our full awareness of our true self, which is our soul. The soul contains all of the knowledge of whatever happen before birth, life on earth and life after death. Our soul is our true identity.

Answer 3

Our spirits were in Heaven, our souls and bodies did not exist until God spoke to your mothers womb and planted your fathers seed there.
You choose if you want to go to Heaven or not, by accepting or rejecting Gods gift gift of salvation.
We do not remember Heaven because our memories are contained in the soul, and that did not exist until conception.
Your memory will be fully intact after you die.

Answer 4

We were on the other side before we were born. We will return when our body dies.

Answer 5

Actually, the first guy made a mistake; it's not spelled "tabula rosa," it's spelled "tabula rasa."

And we are said to be contingent beings... that is to say it is possible that at some point in time, we don't exist (like the past).

Answer 6

We did not exist. Nothing can exist unless it is given life. Without given life it is not possible to exist. Its logic.

Answer 7

you don't remember because of

tabula rosa

when you're born your mind is a blank slate

Answer 8

Future of everything in this universe___ is the dark depth of the unknown. The present is changing it into sunshine of the known. Whereas our past is the reserved record of that light which has been collected, ray by ray, from our present.

One end of the past is our birth. Which is an undeniable reality. While the other end is the present moment. Which is passing by the tick tock of clock. And___ the last end of the unknown future is our death. Which is again an undeniable reality.


That is a particular situation wherefrom we are always confronted. And___ among the undeniable realities of birth & death__ we can not ignore the TRUTH. That is why we are naturally driven to these three basic questions:

Where do we come from?
Where are we going?
What are we doing?
WHERE DO WE COME FROM?

It is quiet easy to say that we have not come in this world from some external place or planet. Instead “we are born” or “we have been born” here___ on the earth.

“We are born” is a pure scientific concept. While “we have been born” is a pure religious concept. But the question of “where do we come from” still needs more clarification.

Some people are of the view that our entity was existing prior to our birth, at some unknown place. It was, perhaps, without body and spirit. Or perhaps with the both as it is at present. Either we have lost our previous memory. Or our present existence is totally different from our previous existence. And___ our present form is completely forgetful of our previous form.

Famous Urdu poet of the Sub-Continent (Old United India) Asadullah Khan Ghalib is of the view that prior to our birth we were part of God. Ghalib has expressed this view in the following verse:

”When there was nothing then God was there. If nothing had been there, even then, God would have been there. My birth has diminished me. If I had not been there then what would I have been”?
(Ghalib)

The verse means that when nothing was yet existing. Even at that time, God was very much existing. And everything to be born in future___ was existing within God including the poet.

The poet is therefore of the view that if he had not taken the birth. Then___ being a part of God___ he himself would have been God.

Cause of such a thought on the part of Ghalib is Sufism (Pantheism). Whereby God is identified in terms of the material universe. And it is popularly believed that:

“God is everything and everything is God”.

Ghalib is, however, to some extent, different from Sufies (Pantheists). Sufies always believe that God is everything and everything is God. But Ghalib’s confession that after his birth, he is no more a God, instead, he is a commonplace creature___ is his open departure from Sufism.

The most ponder-able and noteworthy words, in Ghalib’s verse, are the following words:

“My birth has diminished me”.

Whereby Ghalib is treating his birth as a tragedy and an irreparable loss for him. For the birth has degenerated him from God to a commonplace creature. So, here Ghalib is far different from Sufies. His theory of birth is based on two parts.
According to the 1st part of his theory, everything is God, prior to its birth. Whereas according to the 2nd part of his theory, everything is degenerated to a commonplace creature after its birth. 2nd part is particularly ponder-able.

Being a subject of birth and death, all the creatures are helpless and mortal including mankind. Here, we feel ourselves quiet agreeable to Ghalib. But we can not agree to the Sufies that we are God. Reasoning does not allow any room for such a notion.

If we are God then why are we so helpless and a subject of birth and death?

If the whole chain of creatures, is God? If it is so___ then why God is so helpless and a subject of birth and death?

Ghalib’s theory of birth, of course, bespeaks that whosoever is born___ that is not God. But the 1st part of Ghalib’s theory is not convincing that prior to our birth__ we are part of God. If the case was really, like that, then, why those arts have become degenerated and despised after birth? Does God degenerate God’s absolute existence into a diminished creature by birth? And___ if it is true then___ how much of God’s absolute existence is now remained perfect___ and how much is diminished? Is process of birth___ a separation of God___ from God?

These questions do clarify that Ghalib’s theory is a double-faced theory. He has learnt from Sufies (Pantheists) that God is an aggregate whole of many parts. And___ at the same time___ he has learnt from religious scholars that creatures are separate from God and subservient to God.

What Ghalib could not understand, is the fact that God is not an aggregate whole of many parts. Nor anything or any person was a part of God’s Absolute Existence. Nor anything or any person may ever become a part of God because nothing is alike God. God is Holy and the All-Alone Creator of everything___ every person___ and every creature. Hence, Ghalib and Sufies (Pantheists) the both are wrong.

Ghalib’s view that prior to our birth___ we were God and threefold view of Sufies that we were God___ prior to our birth and we are God___ even after our birth__ and we will absorb in God___ after our death___ all in all___ is wrong. Because God is not an entity at all, which is degenerate-able in parts.

In either case___ to approach the reality___ we are bound to know___ nothing else but God. That who is God? What is God? Why God is God? And why God should be believed as One Alone God?

However, before beginning the discussion about God__ we should take into account some other suppositions about ourselves as well.

For instance, we might be remote controlled robots of some scientifically advanced creature of some other planets. As UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) are seen here and there, these days and their pictures are published in the newspapers. And___ some people have even met them in person.


Or___ we might have come from many planets duly sent by different creatures. Our mutual differences ___ our preparations of war___ our indulgence in strategic plans___ our celebrations over each others defeats and the likewise rivalry-based movements___ are the practical indications of such a supposition.

The first world war followed by the second world war and now___ preparation of third world war including the cold wars of the peace-periods__ also do speak of the same supposition.

Establishment of U.N.O and veto power of the super powers therein__ is another proof of the same situation.

Faces and forms of the people of this world are so varied and unified___ that they seem all alike and different at the same time. For instance, being humans Africans are just like the English people. But on account of colour & features, they are different from each other just like the day and night.

Likewise, Japanese are different from Arabs and Asians. Asians and Arabs are different from Russians. It seems as if the earth is a battlefield and different species of mankind are demonstrating their power to dominate each other.

Humans___ in this context, are the chess-soldiers who are ever-ready to kill or to be killed. Negroes, Indians, Arabs, Japanese, Americans etc. are the warring teams of some galactic super powers. Perhaps on the same account___ the countless deads of the Great Wars___ are not remembered with sorrow & grief. Instead, their graves are piled up with the wreaths of flowers___ to praise and glorify their death.

American celebrations on destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki including the innocent residents___ do tell us that the word “civilization” means nothing to us. Humanity is not a thing to be respected and regarded. The only and all-important thing___ is the war strategy and demonstration of power.


A child___playing a video game derives a specific pleasure by hiring & firing on the screen. Perhaps___ the same sort of pleasure is derived by the advanced creatures of other planets. Who have sent the humans-like remote controlled robots on the earth.

Where do we come from? The question is a highly bewildering question. But to bewilder us__ is not its function. Its function is to stimulate us to think & search out the truth.

Besides galactic war & rivalry, we can see the reasonable recesses as well. Whereby it is easily guessed that SOMEONE is definitely there. Who wants to see peace and peaceful co-existence on the earth. Though___ victory is considered more important on national level. Yet on individual level, we can see that face of sorrow and grief is the same.

One may be a believer___ or a non-believer___ or an atheist___ or an Indian__ or an American___ or a Japanese___ but everyone is basically a human being. Whose nature is positively inclined to peace and peaceful co-existence. Majority of the masses, has always disliked the war and war leaders.

On human level, a woman is a woman who never wants to become widow. A father is a father who never wants to see the death of his son. Confronted by war and its disasters, human sorrow and grief has always been alike throughout the world.

Peace-oriented nature of masses___ does not like the war-oriented leadership. Whereby it is naturally proved that the latent purpose of life is not war at all. Instead, that is peace and peaceful co-existence on the earth.

The convincing concept of human service, prevailing in Christianity is highly admirable. People of all the religions do come within its working orbit. This thing tells us that humans are the creatures of such a CREATOR___ who is the Most Generous and the Most Merciful.

In ancient religions___ coming from Buddha and Mahaveera___ animals and insects are also regarded as God’s creatures and are not harmed at all. Instead, they are left untouched, letting them to breed and prosper. Such a positive care does reflect that the Unseen God wants peace & peaceful co-existence on the earth.

“There is no compulsion in religion” is the fundamental principle of all the religions. It means that all sorts of oppression and exploitation are prohibited in religion. War is permissible in terms of the self-defense alone.

All four legged animals on earth invite our special attention that simply graze in green fields and do not eat flesh. They are the most harmless and peaceful creatures.

God has given them horns on their heads. These horns are, in fact, their weapons of defense. They use them only at the time when they are attacked by the beasts. Study of nature, as such, tells us that:

1.Weapons are meant for the purpose of peace___ not for the purpose of war.

2.Peace essentially requires defense and destroying peace is a beastly act.

So, the earth is not a battle-field. Nor, war is the aim of life. Nor, humans are the remote controlled robots of the advanced creatures of other planets. Real situation is quiet different. We are not the rival tribes at war, instead, we are the peace loving and peace ensuring creature on the earth.

At this stage when all of us are standing on the edge of our ultimate death due to the nuclear and even more sophisticated weapons, we should realize the indispensable need of peace.

Since inception of the human life and the battle of survival on the globe___ a strange human performance has always been in progress. And___ that is the preaching enterprise of the Prophets among their fellow-men. And___ their education has always been regarded as Divine Education.

If we had been a remote controlled creature of other planets. Or___ we had been a composite creature of various gods. Then the Prophets must have told us about such planets and gods including their commandments. But no such news has ever been given by the Prophets___ throughout the human history. Instead, they have always talked about the One Alone God and God’s Commandments alone. And___ they have also told us that we have been created and sent to this earth by the same One Alone God.

Scientific research tells us that our body is made of soil. The soil___ brought to the earth by various meteors from millions of planets. The same soil is now the body of humans and animals on the earth and that is the biological base of life.

Science is busy in biological research but it is silent about self and spirit of the creatures.

Majority of the ignorant masses, is of the view that science is a religion-refuting branch of knowledge but that is not correct. Such a notion on their part is on account of their ever-increasing interest in material gains. They have no time to study the science of realities or the science of religion or even their own souls and selves. So they can not apprehend the world of actual realities.

Such people are of the view that religion is an ancient fossil and that is all. These people do not know that the scientists have succeeded in believing the Lord___ the One Alone God. Not through some external sources but through their own research. Whereby they have reasonably realized that religion is not an ancient fossil. Instead, it is the most moderate and scientific code of life brought forth by our Creator___ the One Alone God. Famous scientist Albert Einstein admits the existence of One Alone God in the following words:

“That is an infinite and the Most Sublime power and cause whose effects are seen everywhere in this inapprehensible universe”

(Thesis: in confirmation of Einstein’s Creative Power by Marline Buxs Kradar)

Albert Einstein has hinted here upon the One Alone God. He has not hinted here upon two or three gods or two or three causes. By declaring the universe as inapprehensible, he is declaring that the Creator of universe, is also, inapprehensible. Thus he has positively confirmed the reality of Monotheism and discarded the baseless notions of Henotheism and polytheism.

Albert Mc Combus Vanchester (the biologist) says in this thesis: “Science has strengthened my belief”:-

“Science removes the polytheistic notions___ mingled with our Monotheistic religious beliefs___ by those self-evident realities which can be confirmed by us through the observable testimonies”.
PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY
TIME CONTINUES TO EXIST

If you ask a person of 40 years whether he has lost forty (40) years or gained the (40) years?
If he says, “I have lost 40 years” he is right not wrong because he has really lost the 40 years. If he says,” I have gained 40 years of life” even then he is right not wrong because he has really gained 40 years.
In fact he has gained 40 years by losing the 40 years and he has lost the 40 years after gaining 40 years. It clearly means that in this universe, we gain what we lose and we lose what we gain.
In the book of law, GOD has ordained the fate of every one on the principal of losing and gaining. On the right way, we gain through losing and lose through gaining. In the presence of GOD, on the way of faith, loss is gain of a believer and in the world of nonbelievers gaining is losing by all means and very few wise know this Mega fact.

MEMORY IS AN ANTI-CLOCKWISE ODYSSEY

We are gaining time clock-wise and losing time to regain anti-clockwise. Memory is our used time, which always remains with us. We plan our future clockwise and remember our past anti-clockwise. Our future is a fantasy-like fact yet to happen and our past is an undeniable real record. Our mind takes us into our past in an anti-clock wise order and we always plan things in clock-wise order. We are heading towards our future in fact and we will find the future as a past after the happening of the futuristic incidents. All incidents will become the contents of our book of memory and will be called our past.
We are in fact our past. In the time machine, present cost our past by processing the future, fraction by fraction and decay to decay to become history. Physically, we are moving forward in clockwise time and that is why everyone has eyes in front and cannot see behind, until it becomes front in physical order it means we always turn and see things in front. Every thing moves towards its front whether it crawls, flies or swims and no one has eyes on the back. Since no one can see future without experience, future being unseen keeps us blind and we see the past even without eyes. Our memories persist and our time continues to exist. We are in a clockwise time and futuristic state and in the presence of anti-clockwise time with the persistence of our acts of the past. Persistence of memories tell us that they exist to happen again in future and such a happening in context of the action and the reaction will be the day of judgement as forecasted by the future narrators known in our world as messengers of GOD.


NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE ENDS
NATURE AND THE SUBJECTIVENESS OF LIFE
PHYSICAL MAGNETIC POWER (THE SPIRIT OF UNIVERSAL MECHANISM) IS THE KEY TO ITS UNDERSTANDING

Every magnet contains two ends, a negative and a positive, and in–between these two ends magnet works as a magnet. It attracts the things of its kind and repels the other kinds. It’s positivity and negativity causes its use. Not only our earth but all planets have a physical magnetic system to remain organized. It’s the gravitational force, which makes all cosmic laws and mechanism of universe, a single organized entity. The whole universe is like a magnet with positive and negative ends.
Its organic system is also positive at one end and negative on the other and it causes all negative and positive behaviors. Universe overall is negative at its outer form and is positive internally. In other words, universe is a clock-wise negative body alive with the anti clock-wise positive power. All living beings are physically negative in a clock-wise state and are positive in a meta-physical anti clock-wise order and this system prevails since the very beginning. Balance or harmonization of negativity and positivity is natural. Keeping this order in its natural ordered form causes no harm to the nature and thus results in no loss and that is why those who keep the nature in its natural form are called "righteous", harmonized with the whole universe and cosmos.



POSITIVITY AND NEGATIVITY

There are things in the cosmos, which seem negative but are positive in fact. These positive things are due to positive negativity, right by all means and result good, always.
There are things in the cosmos, which seem positive but are negative in fact. These negative things are due to negative positivity, wrong by all means and result in disaster, always.
There is nothing in this cosmos which is positive without any positive negativity and that is why positivity is always taught with positive negativity (Do this and Do not do that) which means do good and let not the others do bad. All good people are positive because of being positive and positively negative (Doing good forcefully to establish good) and all bad people are bad because of being negative and negatively positive (Disregarding the rights of the others by doing all what so ever they like to establish bad) which means doing all what feels good even if it makes no sense or hurt others.
There are leaders of masses who are internally negative and externally positive. All such leaders are negatively positive and cause harm to humanity and the most unfortunate among them is the one who uses positive means to achieve negative results. Such leaders are culprits of humanity, even if they do things in the name of GOD.
In the book of the law of cosmos, positively negative people are positive and will always achieve the positive results and blessing of the most perfect GOD, The Ordainer of perfection, positivity and positive negativity.
Due to free discretion, creatures keep on choosing negative means to make the natural, unnatural because of their desires and being selfish but it makes no difference to nature. Ultimately, nature maintains its order and during the maintenance, it causes harm to those who dared to change it. However, nature returns to its origin as it is ordained and changes in it are timely.
It’s like as someone throws a stone in still water and makes circles then stillness of the water is always retained, it happens peacefully but when nature is touched and violated by the wrong-doers for the sake of pleasure, it results in return by putting all the wrong-doers in harm, loss, fear and grief. Thus negative positivity always remains under the suppression of positive negativity. And nature lives always as a fact.
We see wrong here and there due to the deeds and acts of the creatures and GOD is holy who banned all kinds of negative acts and in God’s moral state, only positivity prevails causing prosperity to the creatures. GOD belongs to the positive people, even when they are positively negative to establish the positivity.

CREATURES

There are four types of creatures in this anti clock-wise cosmos and clock-wise universe. Heaven is totally anti clock-wise and earth is perfectly clock-wise, like spirit is anti clock-wise and body is clock-wise. Creatures are between heaven and earth (touching earth with their feet and having their heads raised in the space), using earth as body and heaven as spirit and free discretion means the use of one’s body clock-wise or anti clock-wise and the use of spirit anti clock-wise or clock-wise (a clock-wise act becomes anti clock-wise when performed according to the commandment of GOD or requirement of the moral state and an act which is not performed according to the commandment of GOD remains clock-wise). Thus, out of this use emerge four kinds of creatures:

1-Positively positive creatures (Angels)
2-Negatively negative creatures (Satans)
3-Positively negative creatures (Humans)
4-Negatively positive creatures (Animals)

In the book of the law ordained by GOD, it’s ones behaviour and discretion which makes one an angel, a satan, a human or an animal and all which appear to us as angels, spirits (genie), humans or animals are not real in fact. In the eyes of the facts, righteous acts raise angels, denial makes satans, humbleness becomes humans and needs and desires grow animals in the presence of the Lord our GOD.
One, through acts on the basis of behaviour and discretion can be an angel, a satan, a human or an animal.

According to the God’s word, satan was not satan before denial and became devil after the denial and disobedience. It’s clearly mentioned in the word of God that GOD addressed the angels only included Ablees, to prostrate before GOD on the eve of Adam’s birth but Ablees (satan) denied to perform the act of prostration and excluded not himself as a genie to make reason for his denial.
He may have said “My Lord, you commanded the angels only but I am not an angel, therefore I did not prostrate.”
Absence of this genuine excuse in the Holy word clearly reveals that satan was on the rank of angels. So it’s clear that Ablees became a satan through the act of denial and degraded his rank to become a devil. Genie was his identity as a creature and any genie as a creature even today through obedience and acts can achieve the rank of an angel and same is the ordained law for all those whom God created and that is why the smallest creature even smaller than a particle honours GOD, praises GOD and worships GOD only and every one is seeking ones highest rank through humbleness and lowliness in the presence of One Alone GOD Almighty and till the end creatures will seek Gods mercy and blessing through obedience. And on the day of judgement, every one will be judged alone for the use of heaven and earth, spirit and body and ones discretion according to the commandments revealed to the creatures to achieve success and to gain a life without end and bounty of GOD.

TIME FIX

Creatures are fixed in present and can not move back in past to correct a thing or to make a change and the reason for this Fix is to keep the record safe till it is required by the ordained forces of judgement of GOD and the will of GOD.
Creature have no power over their future to make it of their choice and are helpless against all comings, happenings and incidents and that is to keep the moral state alive as a court of GOD and to impose the will of GOD.
That is the time fix called the present in our world providing us a chance to earn the future.

EARNING OF THE FUTURE

Those who put others in troubles, pain and disaster by doing injustice, aggression and by causing harm and loss and create fear and chaos earn what they do and they will find all that in return. In simple words they have earned what they have done and it will be measured according to the feelings of those who were targeted for suffering.
Those who have benefited the humanity and have taken care of all creatures have earned prosperity of future, which will be ultimate without an end.
It was told to all the people by all the Wise that do for others what you want others to do with you and don’t do what you don’t want others to do with you and by saying so, the Wise handed over the scale of judgement in every body’s hand and that is why GOD says that one is a judge of ones own self over ones own deeds.
On the day of judgement, one will find what one earned. The day of judgement is a great day of return of the acts performed by the creatures.

EARTH

Earth is a perfect clock-wise body and it ultimately eats whatsoever is made of earth. Bigger clock-wise units eat smaller clock-wise units to become more clock-wise and it appears where a lion made of earth follows an earth made deer to eat, vultures made of clay hover over the clay of the dead to eat, a snake made of dust swallows a dust made frog and people made of earth hide the remains of the dead in earth through different means. Since all clock-wise negative characters hunt clock-wise negatives and sometimes try their teeth on anti clock-wise positive characters disregarding good or bad. And due to the presence of moral state, clock-wise forces always fail to dominate over anti clock-wise powers.
Therefore, we can conclude this Mega fact that the earth can never rise as heaven and heaven can never become earth. So a good can never be considered as bad and bad can never be considered as good in the moral state. An earthly creature becomes dust to be dead and a heavenly creature becomes heavenly forever. Souls, which drive themselves to positivity, follow the right path shown by GOD and the souls, which are driven by negativity towards wrong ways are following the wrong path shown by the devil.

MORAL STATE

Everyone is born with the knowledge of the moral state. According to the moral state, which exists in ones conscious or heart, every one can judge ones acts, good or bad. Moral state on a wider scale is a court of GOD, busy in giving decisions of the good and bad acts of creatures and keeping the nature always dominating over unnatural streams. Moral state is the answer to the question that why ones heart beats or conscious pricks when one thinks of a bad deed.