Athiests, Jews, Christians.....What is something where the odds are 1: 100,000,000 to the power of 122??

Question

The Big Bang theory created the universe.

Odds are far worse for creating humans.

And even worse for a habitat where animals co-exist with their environment perfectly as on earth.

Any conversions? lol

Source: science

So, my question is: what are your thoughts on this??

Answer 1

russian doll

Answer 2

What your trying to do is a Mathematical trick that was tried in a court room during a trial where school governors were trying to implement the creationist curriculum in a school.

The argument is flawed, and I hope I can explain why in simple terms.

The odds of creating any complicated system of life are staggering, huge in fact.

If you tried to calculate the odds of creating a human for instance, it would be slim to none.

But here's the problem with your maths - Humans did not just pop into existence, they evolved, evolved from very very simple beginnings.

It started with a very simple organism, a collection of hydrocarbons fused with this an that, with some chemical reactions to produce a very very simple life form.

Now this simple life form (we are talking less than amoeba here), the chances of this coming into existence are not so huge, because it is a very simple life form. The odds are now down at acceptable levels...

To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, if you were at the foot of a 1000 foot shear face straight up, you would find it almost impossible to climb, in fact the odds would be astronomical, but....and heres the killer for you silly religious maths types...if you went round the back the mountain, there is a slope that gradually winds its way up to the summit and the top of the rock face. Many steps must be taken to get to the top, and each step is small, almost insignificant, but altogether over time, they amount to to a huge journey...

This is basic Darwinian evolution at play, no complex life form could just pop into existence, the odds are ridiculous...however a billion steps over a few billion years, now that's a different matter.

Now what are the odds of you religious people accepting this simple piece of logic? 100,000,000 to the power of 122???

Answer 3

'Science' is not a source. Do you have an actual source, like a specific scientific study?
Anyway, the chances of a world where animals don't co-exist perfectly with their environment is virtually zero, since animals who can't co-exist with their environment tend to die quite quickly. It isn't like there happens by random chance to be an insect that looks a lot like a leaf. The physical and behavioural aspects of animals are shaped by their environment.
And due to the nature of the universe at the time of the Big Bang, what with its infinite density and all, it's basically impossible for anything that happened before to be detected now. Which makes it basically impossible to tell exactly why the Big Bang happened. Which makes it basically impossible to work out the odds of it happening. Your theory there is further hindered by the fact that no one knows how long the universe was in that state of infinite density for.
And the while the odds for creating humans exactly as we are, are pretty low, trying to use that as evidence that it didn't happen would be like throwing a million dice and saying that because the combination of numbers they showed was so unlikely you must not have thrown them. It was obvious when you threw them that the combination would be unlikely, as there is no likely combination. That's how the lottery works. It's the same with people. When you take a living organism and throw in hundreds of millions of years of natural selection there is no likely outcome.

Answer 4

I am not going to argue with you but your argument would be more convincing if you quoted some sources rather than just say science.

locomonohijo
actually the universe is far from infinite. If the Big Bang happened about 15 billion years ago that means the Universe cannot be larger than the distance light would travel in that time. So the Universe has a diameter of at the most 30 billion light years.

Answer 5

Your question highlights just how much I do not know. I don't even know if time existed before time evolved.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around quantum mechanics, even through the computer I am using is only possible by humans understanding this theory.

Yes I realize there are many things I do not know, but I want to find out how things work and why they happen.

This not knowing drives me to go to the library, check out books ask, questions and learn a little more about the world I live in.

How would knowing that I don't know convert me?
Convert me to what?

Answer 6

Improbably does not equal impossible.

I hear these kind of "mathematical proofs" nearly every day on here, you can't just discount things like this based on someone's assumption of the odds against it.

Look at it this way, what are the odds of a person having down syndrome? The chance of a fault in a person's 21st chromosomes? It's about 1:1000 against. They're pretty slim right? That doesn't mean that they're impossible though.

Answer 7

quite, the Jewish perception (reckoning on sect and time) is that "Lucifer" or devil is an angel that teaches people by using trials. In Jewish custom, devil isn't a fallen angel (that seems to be a in basic terms Christian theory that the Muslims copied), he's basically an angel that visits trials and temptations on people to teach and enlighten them. once you study job in this mild, it makes plenty extra experience. Edit: observe,: it quite is rather stupid to declare that God is all understanding and then turn around and declare that God created an angel that would create evil and riot. it quite is much extra unthinkable that an all understanding god might create a inhabitants of angels which might have a million/3 riot - quite because of the fact the version between angels and people is that angels don't have unfastened will. of path, if angels had unfastened will, why might people be needed?

Answer 8

What's the chance of a dime falling off a building and falling on a dog which kills the dog, the rats eat the dog and is caught by the cat and eaten, the cat comes home with the rat in its mouth that scared the mailman who punches the owner of the house who than sues the mailman.

If it happened than the chance of that is 1 in 1.

Answer 9

Well, thanks to an infinate universe, probability is played out to past the 1,000,000,000 to the power of 122 mark, so though it isn't common, infinate chances means it eventually would happen, so basically, we are just a rare mathamatical fluke of probability.

Answer 10

Thank you for your effort but the odds for the events you mentioned cannot accurately be calculated due to the infinite number of variables.

Answer 11

Those chances are a lot better than a big Santa Claus type spirit pointed his finger into nothingness and said, "Yeah, so, yeah, switch the light on, will ya?"