Ethical Dog Showing.....?

Question

I have a 2 year old male that already has 8 points..one major. Just had OFA's done and he has one hip that is mild.
The question is..do I continue to show him and finish him, then have him nuetered, or neuter now because it is unethical to show a dog that will not be used for breeding???????????

He cannot be bred because he is DYSPLASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

St.Lady....READ FIRST!! I was showing him, then just had OFA's done. I have NOT been showing him since the OFA's came back.
You know nothing about showing, so don't answer if you don't know. Go brown nose Gang some more.

Thanks Lori! The breeder does know. With Newfies, there is always dysplasia in the "line". The parents and grandparents and so on for the whole 5 generations were OFA cleared. It happens. I could get a second opinion...but I would never feel confortable breeding him. We have enough problem in the breed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

St. Lady...I call 'em like I see 'em too!! YOU are a Gang brown noser!!! You have even picked up his *PIMP YOUR DOG* lingo!!!!!!!!! Be original!!!

Answer 1

Finish him first.
You've already spent the entry fees,hauled him around & had FUN....why stop now? It's not like you'd be "stealing" points from anybody. ALL dogs have faults-yours just isn't visible.

Unless you have a rookie coming up & want the $$$ to spend on it.

Most people aren't out there to "PROVE" breeding stock,they're having FUN!!

Remember that GSD that was so great a few years back? His owner spent MILLIONS-literally-to campaign him to the top.;NEVER expecting to get a penny of that back from breeding.

Answer 2

You already know enough not to breed him, that doesn't mean you should stop showing him. If you handle him, then the conformation ring is something the two of you do together; don't throw that away. If you put a handler on him then you get to see him strut his stuff and you'll have pride in seeing him get the CH.

It is not unethical to show a dog that will not be used for breeding. There are many finished dogs that are never bred. It isn't stated in any code of ethics that a champion is obligated to breed.

Answer 3

As he already has a major, if showing is something both you and the dog enjoy, I'd keep at it and finish him.

I would also positively contact the breeder and let them know that your boy has this problem. This is something they have to know.

Another thing...a friend of mine had a female x-rayed and the results came back mildly dysplastic in both hips. The woman was going to spay the girl, but the breeder of the dog and two other breeders convinced my friend to take the dog to another vet for x-rays. A second opinion. The results of this second x-ray showed the hips were not dysplastic, in fact were a solid 'good'. OFA bumped up the rating on the basis of this second set, but only to 'fair'.

The vet who took the second set specialized in x-rays and orthapedics. He is the vet we always use, and unfailingly predicts what rating our dogs will receive. He said the female I speak of had 'good' hips, but that OFA wouldn't go up two full ratings. And he was right!

Back to your question...NO, it's absolutely not unethical to show a dog who won't be used for breeding. If your dog is a sound specimen of the breed (and getting 8 points and a major certainly sounds like it!), you should be out there with him if this is what you both enjoy. I know of many champion dogs who have never produced a single pup.

Sometimes the dogs are shown because the people enjoy showing, sometimes because the dog is an offspring of a parent who the breeder wants to get a title on them for being the parent of 'x' amount of champs...and for many other reasons.

Keep it up in the ring, and please consider getting a second opinion on the hips, especially if bad hips are not something that has ever before cropped up in your dog's lines.

edited to say:

I didn't even look at your name before answering...I was wondering what breed you had! LOL

My friend's dog truly had good hips...the first x-ray was incorrect, plain and simple. The Mal lived for 14 years, earned multiple working titles, including working weight pull dog, excellent...meaning she pulled 20+ times her weight 5 times. She produced one litter of pups, and the pups from that litter all had good hips, and all earned working titles, one a WWPDX as well.

This is why I encourage people who have bad results to get a second opinion if they feel the first one might be iffy, if the dog's parentage indicates the hips should be good. If the dog doesn't display any indication of a weakness in the hips.

In any case, get out there with your dog, compete in the ring and at working events.

And I agree that you are a wonderfully ethical person to be adamant about not perpetuating a genetic problem by refusing to breed your wonderful boy (should it really be true his hips are bad!). :-)

Answer 4

I like what tlctreecare said. They are right on the money.
Good ahead and keep showing him. He is a great dog whether you are going to breed him or not.
I agree it would be MORE unethical to breed him and get some pups with bad hips.
I highly doubt every dog shown gets bred. Is bred a word? Anyways, health things happen. He still deserves to finish. Go for it and good luck!

Answer 5

I don't believe it's unethical to show a dog that won't be used for breeding.

Showing isn't only about breeding stock, for me it's also about getting out and having fun with my dogs, and showing them off.

And let's face it, lots of dogs that earn championships are NOT really breeding quality. There are those that we show, and then retire them because we have better dogs to use for breeding, and those that we show and breed.

To me what would be unethical is if you had hip surgery and then showed him.

BTW, you might try submitting the pics again, it is not unheard of for OFA to give different ratings to the exact same pics when resubmitted.

Answer 6

once you're nerve-racking about his tailing degrading his teach high quality, and if he will be shown in competitions as a teach canines, then you fairly might want to do the surgical procedure. The vet does no longer have said this if he did not imagine it change into an option. despite the indisputable fact that, he nonetheless your wonderful pooch and his fertility isn't affected why concern him to it? The tail is an instantaneous hyperlink through spinal twine to the mind. How else do all of us recognize at the same time as canines are so satisfied? As for "this kind of loss to the canines international" - believe me, there are a selection of different champion canines accessible. This "loss" might want to exceedingly be felt through you. Docked tails are finished at the same time as newborn doggies, the different time after that it really is painful and causes better rigidity. (I requested my vet about this when I were given my doggies at 10 weeks previous - the tails were docked lengthy). Your domestic dog will nonetheless be your wonderful significant different no count number what you opt for. A crooked tail received't result your love for him both. sturdy success on besides the actuality that you opt for.

Answer 7

Well, in our breed where there are Westminster winners that have NO health clearances and are still bred.........you are HIGH on the ethics scale!!!!! There are too many that do the clearances and don't do the right thing, and too many that do not do the clearances at all. Remember what we learned from the Saint people years ago!!!!!!!!!! They felt that if they could move around the ring well, there was NO NEED to x-ray!!!
Finish your friend and the do the working titles!!!! I see a VN in his and your future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And buy that little Landseer bit ch from Canada!!!!!

Answer 8

Once neutered you can not show him in confirmation shows.
If you want him titled show him but once he has his title have him neutered.
Some people show dogs who they are not going to breed. That is not unethical. It would be unethical to breed a dog with hip problems.
I have a friend who breeds dachshunds and she has finished the CH title on one of her females who they knew was sterile. They wanted her to have her title even though they knew she could never breed.

Answer 9

Well, *I* would finish him and then neuter him, being he already has one major. I don't think that is necessarily unethical. Unethical would be breeding him.

If you don't WANT to finish him being he will not be breeding quality, that is ok too.

Believe me, there are finished dogs out there that shouldn't be used for breeding, you will not be the only one.

Answer 10

If you already know he can not be bred and that didn't stop you from showing in the first place........Why wouldn't you continue now??? There is no law that says you have to breed..Things happen and many dogs aren't bred. Sorry I misread your guest ion..But you don't have to be such a baby about it..Oh that's right Ive read some of your answers and you never made a mistake......As far as GitEmGang is concerned, I don't brown nose anybody..I just call it like I see it. And what little bit of respect I had for you is gone..