Why do rationalists ignore scientific mathematical fact of God's existence accordin 2 statistical probability?

Question

According to mathematical statistical probability... "there is virtually NO PROBABILITY that there is not a personal Creator behind the creation we can observe". Do the math.

The statistical probability that all the diversity and order we scientifically observe in this universe is the result of chaos or chance from an explosion (Big Bang), is practically ZERO. There is no reasonable or rational probabilty for this world view, yet the academic world that hangs their hat on science and math are full of atheists, rationalists, and agnostics.

If we can't even agree to accept matematical conclusions like these, then what is point of education? There is no reasonable or rational alternative to believing in God.

Answer 1

You're right--Einstein was the champion of that idea for many years.

Answer 2

A man of reason needs not to know everything. No one really knows. But you think you do. That is what I don't like. You're stuck, If I gave you a reasonable explanation you wouldn't take it. You don't want these uncertainties that I bear. A person can do their best to know when they do not know. You think you have the answer. You're sure that there is some divine being over your head to watch over you. Your argument isn't about evolution. You are sure there is a God and anything that threatens the possibility of his existence you will ignore or call it false or the work of satan.

I don't know where matter came from or that it had to come from something. Maybe the universe was always here in one form or another, maybe the "big bang" was one bang in a continuum of collapses and bangs. I can really say I don't know. I can speculate if you'd like. It won't do any good but I will try.

Let's assume that the Universe always existed (whatever that means). Forever, for what ever reason, the universe always expands and collapses. Our most recent bang shot matter in all directions. This matter expanded and these bits of matter rotated to form the solar systems. Solar systems formed as these bits of matter had pieces fly off and form planets. The planets in our solar system "hardened". Out of these nine (now eight) planets one was found by the elements to be suitable for what we call life. There are about 110 chemical elements. This planet's conditions somehow allowed for these chemicals to combine in a way that made a cycle (maybe the earliest life cycle). Maybe it was some kind of chemical cycle where one chemical reacted with another and possibly a different one reacted with the product of the first two. Maybe all of this evolved into more complex reactions until you have what you see. People like to point out how unlikely this is but how do they come up with such figures? I don't know how big the universe is, I don't even know how a person goes about measuring it. But I bet there are a larger number or solar systems than I can imagine. So with these many "breeding grounds" for life how could we put a number on life's likelihood. I would bet that there is life on other planets.

As you know, I am no scientist.

My reasoning is quite holey. But you cling to certainties out of an archaic text. The only reason I can see for you to do that is fear. You fear death and all the unknowns. You went to church where they said they'd make you better. You can quit fearing death and the unknown (they basically said). But fear God's wrath (they said later). Your mind was eased and then they snuck a fear tactic in on you. And so now you're stuck, question God and you could risk your soul.

Some christian threw in a long spiel about brainwashing the other day. You people don't like being called brainwashed, I can understand that. She claimed that brainwashing involves torture and deprivation. Life can torture and deprive, so people need to cling to something, we all believe what we want to hear. Sometimes people are easily manipulated and lead by their emotions. Although she didn't like the term brainwashed for christians. I think it fits. I don' hate you for it but you really are swayed by your needs and wants. You have come to these conclusions because you need them. Not because they’re reasonable. You really can’t reason for the existence of God.

Answer 3

How do you define "mathematical statistical probability"? Have you looked up these words in the dictionary? You seem to not understand the meanings of the words, and have fail to grasp their concepts. Show me that math problem so I can "do the math."

Don't give up on education, there is a point to it... someday you will learn to use facts to support your arguments, instead of your faith.

Answer 4

we glance to technological information to respond to the questions we've the potential to understand, and in the previous human beings regarded to faith for this, however religions solutions are merely glorified toddlers thoughts. there's a mathematical theory against the assumption human beings randomly appearing out of proteins and such issues, and that they say it particularly is nearly a twister whipping around a junkyard, and on the tip, a totally assembled 747 jet would be executed. that would in no way take place, and the percentages human beings taking drugs out of no the place are a similar. although, identity say whilst technological information fails us we could continuously look to the wonderful and inconceivable. the bible koran and different non secular books have no longer something to do with god in case you inquire from me. if god is authentic, and he speaks to specific human beings, those whom he speaks with right this moment would be locked up as loopy human beings, meanwhile the prepared religions merely earn extra money and help a large variety of questionable movements. i think of you cant artwork out a math formulation for something you dont have each and all the variables for. attempting to artwork out if god existed mathematically would be like = x+y+3-z=human creation. all of us understand there's a three in that equation, yet we dont understand sufficient impressive now to declare the place x and y got here from. i wouldnt be greatly surprised if we've been an alien test, and that they are turning out to be us in a lab like we enhance cultures

Answer 5

it's not zero, it's just practically zero, and btw what's the chance of having a personal creator? -1?

so just because the big bang is improbable the probability of a personal creator suddenly becomes 100%?

my guess is that you'll delete this question sometime soon.

Answer 6

Not going to bother with reading any further that the title.

Science doesn't consider God because it is not something you can prove.........it is FAITH.

Oops I read further. If the big bang theory is so flawed then why is all matter moving away from a central point in space.......like it would after an EXPLOSION?

You need to check your "math" I think you forgot to carry the 2.

Answer 7

There is no mathematical probability to prove any god. The big bang is not about chance or chaos. The big bang is an expansion like a tree from its seed.

Answer 8

there are more galaxies in the universe than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches on the entire earth. each galaxy contains millions of stars. so if our solar system was the only one ever to contain intelegent life, that means that the odds of any solar system containing intelegent life is about .0000000000000000000001 which rounds to 0. so your stat is right, but i guess you dont actually understand statistics and your arguement for no alternative to there being a creater is flawed.

Answer 9

Science is not based on a process of elimination, but a process of forming a hypothesis and proving it with fact. There is no solid fact for either case, therefore you are free to decide for yourself personally.

Answer 10

your question is total nonsense.....

There is absolutely no proof of the existence of any gods.
Not one shred of evidence to support the existence of any gods.
Nor is there likely to be.

There is a fundamental belief of every religion that every other religion is wrong... so for any given religion to be true, every other one must be false...this leads to the conclusion that they are all false.

Therefore the probability of the existence of any god is so miniscule it can be discounted.

Answer 11

Why do people say this? Its total BS. Without knowing if there's a creator, you can't produce statistics on whether or not something was made by a creator!