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In no way i meant in bad intentions. What does these—

Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 44b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309

means to you?

2006-11-28 23:13:23 · 4 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

4 answers

What does it mean? It's a page from the Talmud, as published by the Soncino Press in 1961, from the Tractate called Niddah, the second side of the 44th page.

On the page, there's a verse explaining, in purely technical terms, at what age an act of intercourse can constitute a betrothal. This is because sex is one of the ways through which a marriage is made official. It was never the preferred method, however, and in fact, it was made punishable by rabbinic decree.

You have to understand that what is being described in that passage is an explanation as to at what age, intercourse is physically possible. This is purely an explanation so that one can understand the legal implications of such an act. It is not the same as saying whether such an act is PERMISSIBLE, and in fact, it is strictly forbidden.

"A friendly question?"

I'm not sure, but I kind of have my doubts. Who spends their time digging through the Talmud for this sort of thing? And you'll forgive me for guessing that you didn't actually find this by reading the Talmud itself - you would have been reading for a long time before stumbling upon this passage. On the other hand, this sort of citation (along with other mistranslations, and in some cases, passages that simply don't exist in the Talmud) can be found on all kinds of White Power and Neo-Nazi websites. Furthermore, if you had actually been studying the Talmud, you probably would have found commentaries and other passages that would have answered your question (including exhortations for a father not to marry off his daughter until she becomes mature and can give her consent). So might I be so bold as to inquire as to where you found this citation? You give no context for your question at all. It looks like you simply expect somebody to look at it and start drawing conclusions about Judaism (which would invariably be false if the reader glances at the page, in translation, casually, and doesn't understand Talmudic methodology, or the context in which this passage occurs).

For more on this subject, and anti-Semitic Talmud libels in general, see here:

http://www.geocities.com/fightinghate/OnThatLieMarryingMinor.html

here: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/three.html

and here: http://www.geocities.com/fightinghate/Talmud

2006-11-28 23:44:09 · answer #1 · answered by Daniel 5 · 3 0

here we go

so what are you asking about exactly?

what the girl getting married at 3? Yeah it legally worked but that dose not mean that it was proper or accepted. The Talmud discusses a lot of what if cases, but if you look in the commentary and the practice such an act would be abhorrent.

2006-11-29 07:15:29 · answer #2 · answered by Gamla Joe 7 · 3 0

Sorry---------------------do not have a set of the Talmud around. It is too expensive and takes up so much room. Do you have a set of it? Or, is this something you just happen to see posted somewhere?

2006-11-29 07:18:18 · answer #3 · answered by Shossi 6 · 1 0

O Children of Israel! remember My favours which I bestowed upon you and that I exalted you above the peoples of the time

2006-11-29 07:16:55 · answer #4 · answered by MUHAMMAD 3 · 1 0

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