Christianity or Paulianity?

Question

"The Christianity which the nations claim to follow is the religion of Paul, who is admittedly the chief and almost the only theologian that the Church recognizes. Because of his betrayal of the Master's teachings, the vision of true Christianity has been so dimmed that men have been able to defend war and a host of other evils, such as flesh eating and slavery, on the authority of the Bible." (Christ or Paul? Rev. V.A. Holmes-Gore)

“We have already noted that every teaching of Jesus was already in the literature of the day….. Paul, the founder of Christianity, the writer of half the NT, almost never quotes Jesus in his letters and writings." (Professor Smith in his “The World Religions”, p 330)

"There is not one word of Pauline Christianity in the characteristic utterances of Jesus.... There has really never been a more monstrous imposition perpetrated than the imposition of Paul's soul upon the soul of Jesus.... It is now easy to understand how the Christianity of Jesus... was suppressed by the police and the Church, while Paulinism overran the whole western civilized world, which was at that time the Roman Empire, and was adopted by it as its official faith. (Androcles and the Lion, George Bernard Shaw)

Answer 1

Paul is the chosen vessel of the gentiles..................

otherwise...
toss out the new testament.............

Answer 2

Wow.

I'm not a Paulist, but I'll tell you this. Without Paul, the Christian church would have died very early on.

Are you not aware that Paul was beheaded for speak and teaching Christ? Jesus also had quite a number of followers. I really am having trouble with the last paragraph, last two sentences. It sounds like you are condemning Paul for spreading Christianity. He taught salvation through Christ and Christ alone. How is this a bad thing?

About the eating meat. Paul most certainly is not the only one who said meat eating was OK. Christ Himself commanded Peter to eat meat.

Acts 10:10-16:
10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

God commanded the Israelites to eat the meat that was sacrificed.

Leviticus 6:24-29:
24 The LORD said to Moses, 25 "Say to Aaron and his sons: 'These are the regulations for the sin offering: The sin offering is to be slaughtered before the LORD in the place the burnt offering is slaughtered; it is most holy. 26 The priest who offers it shall eat it; it is to be eaten in the sanctuary area, in the courtyard of the tent of meeting. 27 Whatever touches any of the flesh will become holy, and if any of the blood is spattered on a garment, you must wash it in the sanctuary area. 28 The clay pot the meat is cooked in must be broken; but if it is cooked in a bronze pot, the pot is to be scoured and rinsed with water. 29 Any male in a priest's family may eat it; it is most holy.

This mantra is so full of holes, I could spend hours pointing out the errors, but I want to answer other questions, and eat my chicken breast.

Email me, and I'll go more indepth if you wish to see how you are wrong about virtually everything you posted here.

Answer 3

I concur. I've been saying this all along for a many years now:

That --unbeknownst to them-- the so-called "Christians" of today are blindly following the Pauline doctrines that was preferred by the early RC Church when it first compiled the Sacred Scriptures into what we know today as the Holy Bible.

And when the Great Reformation took place, the early protesters merely took the German and English translations of the SAME BIBLE --verbatim-- and began preaching their own versions as Protestantism took its foothold five centuries ago. Those early Protestant founders were CLUELESS as to the VERACITY of the contents of the New Testament of the Bible and proceeded to go they own merry ways.

Today's so-called "Christians" remain completely in the dark that they are in fact "Paulinians" instead.

I find and follow the Sevenfold Teachings of Yeshua Messiah/JC [PBUH] in the Essene Gospel of Peace... which provides much more depth than the Gospels found in the Holy Bible.

Peace be with you.

Answer 4

This is largely a myth.

Actual scholarly work (and not pop-religion quotes drawn from Bartlett's) illustrates clearly that Paul was pretty much on the same wavelength, since he, like Jesus, was drawn from Pharisaic Judaism.

Read Dominic Crossan's "Saint Saul, A Skeleton Key to the Historical Jesus." He makes a strong case that Paul subtly referred to much of what Jesus taught, in the Sermon on the Mount and elsewhere.

Certainly, one can look at St. Paul's soaring words in 1 Corinthians 13, and not have a terribly hard time picturing Jesus saying them.

If I speak in the tongues of men and angels,
but have not love,
I have become sounding brass or a tinkling symbol.

And if I have prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge,
and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains,
but have not love, I am nothing.

And if I dole out all my goods, and
if I deliver my body that I may boast
but have not love, nothing I am profited.

Love is long suffering,
love is kind,
it is not jealous,
love does not boast,
it is not inflated.

It is not discourteous,
it is not selfish,
it is not irritable,
it does not enumerate the evil.
It does not rejoice over the wrong, but rejoices in the truth


It covers all things,
it has faith for all things,
it hopes in all things,
it endures in all things.

Love never falls in ruins;
but whether prophecies, they will be abolished; or
tongues, they will cease; or
knowledge, it will be superseded.

For we know in part and we prophecy in part.

But when the perfect comes, the imperfect will be superseded.

When I was an infant,
I spoke as an infant,
I reckoned as an infant;

when I became [an adult],
I abolished the things of the infant.

For now we see through a mirror in an enigma, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know as also I was fully known.

But now remains
faith, hope, love,

these three;

but the greatest of these is love.

Answer 5

"Paulinity". Jesus preached a mission of love, helping the less fortunate, etc. Paul turned around and made a religion out of Jesus. Paul was more interested in "salvation by faith", Jesus was more interested in teaching people how to live.\\

The problem is, too many people look at Jesus through Paul instead of looking at Jesus himself.

Answer 6

LOL! George Bernard Shaw? That great theologian. Why don't you quote Jodie Foster's view of the New Testament? She's an atheist.

Answer 7

I completely agree. Christianity as it is known today (and throughout history) is entirely Paul's creation. Jesus was a Jewish reformer and would be ashamed of what Paul created that is the religion we have today and that is nothing even remotely like Jesus taught.

One example of many: Jesus spent a lot of time with women in the groups of followers. There are many instances in the Bible where he even had one on one non-judgemental conversations with them. Paul on the other hand was well known for his animosity and hatred toward women. It seems really strange that both men were teaching the same ideals simply based on that one example.

Answer 8

Give it up already.

Some of the most brilliant theologians in history (none of the hacks you mentioned above are included) have long ago dealt with and properly disposed of this matter.

St. Paul and Jesus Christ have everything in common, with no contradictions.

Answer 9

everything paul says ..he said under direction of the Holy Ghost when speaking about Jesus..let me show you an example..

Acts 13:9-10 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
10. And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

He was peaking about Jesus right there..
Paul knowing that Jesus is God uses Lord

Like thomas didymus said when he realized that Jesus was risen in John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Not just Lord but God..when Paul speaks of the Lord he refers to Jesus......hey at best read the rest of the chapter from the 16th verse...he is testifying about the life of Jesus...

Sounds to me like you wanted to say something..but you don't have a clue about what your speaking about when it comes to Paul...Jesus or God ..or the Holy Ghost...since that Jesus sent back the Holy Ghost to teach us the bible...He would not allow us to use anyhting that is false.....oops i think the bottom just fell out...your speaking with carnal wisdom ...forgetting that God already had this figured out...and has seen the end of all things??...

Hey if you can't see that Paul was chosen by God..understand this..The devil feared him because of his calling and reckognized him...look for your self
Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

You see the story shows that there were 7 sons who tried to cast out an evil spirit..but the evil spirit turned on them..and that was what he told them before turning on them....
, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?..If you only knew who Paul was...

Answer 10

I happen to follow Matthias the guy who took Judas' place.He went off to Africa and got chopped up before he could write anything.
Dude,give me a break Paul was so right on for the time.He set up the church properly,then the Catholics had to go an spoil it with Celibacy,Transubstantiation,prayers to the saints,pergatory,etc etc.
Find another windmill to tilt at.

Answer 11

Paul was clear on what were his words and not Gods. Everything else he said agreed with Peter and James and Jesus. Remove Paul or keep him... the teachings will still be the same.