What is True Science ?

Question

There are 3 kinds of science: 1) esoteric occult science like astrology which is the least rational of all, 2) pseudo-scientific materialism which is supposed to be more scientific, but it is related to esoteric pantheism which believes in the creative power of the "mother land" (supposed evolution), 3) and theistic creationist science which really makes sense because reason and logic in harmony with common sense allow us to discern in the complex natural order, of which we are a part, an intelligent design that can only have a supernatural origin, so according to the true science there is no conflict between faith, revealed truth, and reason.

Answer 1

just in studying how a baby comes together after conception, should be enough to baffle the mind.
there is a creation as vast as the universe, well, there is a creator who designed it all, and who holds everything under control.
the earths tilt, if it were to tilt just a little this way or that way, could disintegrate us in a flash. but God, He keeps the earths tilt just so to keep us going in our environment.

Answer 2

Again I find myself frustrated with my fellow Creationists. First of all it doesn't seem like you really wanted an answer to your question you just wanted to rant, which means you should find a message board not a question answer website.

Science isn't about various convictions about how we came to existence or how the supernatural world works. Science is about observations about what is around us. Science examines the natural world and makes observations about it that can be recreated and observed over an over again.

Science really can't tell us how the world came into existence. No more then you could tell who built a house by only looking at the house and without any other outside information.

However there are many other very valid areas of study that are fully of reason and truth, including Philosophy, psychology, and art. So it's ridiculous to suggest that jut because science can't prove creationism that it's unreasonable to believe in it.

I'm sure there many great books that explains this much better then I have. One I"m studying right now is Mere Christianity by CS Lewis.

Answer 3

None of the three "sciences" you listed are sciences. They are all theology, viewed in theological terms and viewpoints.

Science is the process of verifying truth by observations that can be reproduced by independent sources. In order to do that you need to have a testable hypothesis. There is nothing esoteric or occult about science, pantheistic, metaphysical, or supernatural about any aspect of science. Faith and beliefs are all rejected in science because they can never be verified, and verification is the fundamental essence of science. There is a very big gap between faith, revealed truth (which is not truth at all, since it cannot be verified), and reason and science. There is no reason in religion, just nonsense and babble.

Answer 4

Well I believe in God, but I don't believe the "Intelligent Design" stuff that's been going around recently. I remember when the Creation Science junk had it's first go around. The textbook (yes, I had access to one) spent more time proselytizing Christianity in the name of not doing it than teaching anything about origins.

True science is based on empirical knowledge, not on "faith" in a higher power. If it cannot be proven or disproven, it cannot be science. Even religion agrees that God cannot be proven without faith.

Answer 5

You are not supposed to answer your own philosophical question with your own philosophy. If you truly want others' opinions and ideas, don't pre-load your question so much. You haven't even listed true science, which is a pursuit of knowledge using the Scientific Method. Theistic creationist science isn't a true science because it doesn't allow for actual experimentation and testing of the propositions and theories it presents. It's just a head trip.

Answer 6

Bible difficulties, or apparent Bible contradictions, exist. The opponents of Christianity often use them in their attempts to discredit Christianity. Sometimes these attacks undermine the faith of Christians who either don't understand the issues or don't have the resources to deal with them. Opponents of Christianity will cite what they consider a Bible contradiction or difficulty by comparing one verse to another (or more) that seems to disagree with the first. In doing this, several verses are often referenced as being contradictory or problematic. Therefore, to make this section of CARM easy to use, it is arranged by verse for easy lookup. Since many of the same "difficulties" deal with one verse in opposition to another or even several others, I have listed all the verses addressed in the same answer. This makes the initial list look larger than it really is. For example, how many animals did Noah bring into the ark? Genesis 6:19-20 says two while Gen. 7:2-3 mentions seven. Therefore, both verses are listed and both links point to the same answer.

Answer 7

First you don't know anything about anything!

Astrology was the foundations of Math and Astronomy, both of which who a great debt to Astrolgy and Astrologers and their painstaking methods.

I mean, lets face it. Do you know what's out in the Morning or Evening sky RIGHT NOW, without consulting a book.

Do you know the origins of that book! Astrology. They also devised PROPORTIONAL logarithms to easily convert planetary movements from EPHERMIAL times to clock time.

Astrology dates back over 1,000 BC

So the Science of Astronomy has over a 2,000 year linage of observations, emperical data, star charts, math equations that allowed people in 500 BC to know WHEN MARS or JUPITER would be around and WHERE.

Now, let's take the modern theoretical science of Evolution, which by the way isn't really a science. People keep trying to make this a Noun when it's really a Verb. Evolution is what you observe in Biology and Genetics, both of which are harder sciences.

Now, can YOU imagine what Evolution (if they still use that term) will be like in 2,000 years!

I mean it's barely 150 years old.

Compared to Astrology/Astronomy it's an infant.

Now, things worked great in science until some JErk by the Name of Einstein came along and described a thing called Relativity and quickly said ALL OF SIR NEWTON'S LAWS don't work the same there.

Now the HARD and FAST law of the CONSERVATION OF MATTER becomes the CONSERVATION OF ENERGY AND MASS, because they also proved there is ANTI MATTER, hence MATTER CAN BE DESTORYED, Mass, however, can't.

Well, until the next JERK comes along with a theory and blows that one up too!

So, NOW we have NEWTON and his GRAVITY and NEWTON never foresaw GRAVITY WELLS or CURVED SPACE or WARPED SPACE

Nor did Newton ever envision, as Einstein did, that BRICKS can be motionless or FALL UPWARDS.

There goes Newton and his laws, right out the door!

Newton works GREAT in Planes, Space Ships, Cars, but it don't work right in Gamma Rays traveling near or at the speed of Light.

None of what NEWTON put down in MATH works, hence 1+1 is no longer 2 in relatavistic universes.

So all your laws of motion and thermo dynamics don't apply in all instances, hence SCIENCE AND MATH are fallable.

You have to have different science and different math for different relativistic situations.

This means, of course, there will be something beyond Newton's Calculus.

There has yet to be discovered a new form of math to deal with relativistic situations.

Which is probably why the Unified Theory has yet to be solved, they are trying to do it with Euclidian and NEwtonian math.

They are trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.

So, in another 3,000 years we will have a whole new form of math to explain things at or near the speed of light in very easy terms that an 10 year old will probably know.

Darwin and his followers may be seen as Witch Doctor Astrologers to the (then) modern person who deals with bio-genetics (I'm speaking in the year 2300)

The is not an impossiblity, in fact as history of science shows, older views are shoved to the back burner. Yes, they may still mention Darwin in the texts, like we mention Leyden and his jar. Of course, I'm giving Darwin a lot of credit, it could be more like how Psychiatry views Freud, the man who invented the science but cured no one because he got it all wrong! (And by the way, I don't agree with their view, I think Freud got a lot of things right! But he's no longer in favor in Modern Clinical Psychology or Psychiatry. In 1950 EVERY Psychiatrist was trained in a Freudian clinic, today he's footnote on text books.)

Today, those with 20 years of education still get flustered and throw chaulk across the room.

That is your true science. It is always in flux with the next new postulate.

Answer 8

Science in its most basic form is to seek out truth through evidence, observation, and logic. True science is redundant.

Creation science, like "alchemy science" or "theology science" or "fairies at the bottom of the garden science" is a contradiction in terms.

You're either a scientist or you believe in creation. You are not both.

Answer 9

True science is things we can prove. Keep trying to prove things in the bible, but do us a favor and keep calling it "christian science" or "creation science" so real scientists, like members of NAS or the Royal Society, don't waste precious time starting to read such nonsense. Thanks

Answer 10

True science is science that is true.

Can you tell I'm just bored and need my points?