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religion per the stories told about them.

2006-11-28 10:44:44 · 18 answers · asked by CresentMoon 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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If you want the standard answers, you already have them. What I am about to tell you is a bit long and it is not traditional.

First: the names of the wisemen (or Magi)are not recorded in the second chapter of Matthew. In fact we do not know that there were three of them. We only know that they presented three very expensive gifts.

As to their story , here is the non traditional one.

The biggest criticism of the story is that astronomers say that there was no special star the shone at the end of the first century BC or the begining of the first century AD.

Now let's remember that Matthew was writing to Jewish people. Therefore the story of the Magi had to fit into the calander, and the feasts of the Jewish people.

I believe that the Magi were Jewish astronomers that lived in Persia. There forefathers had been students of the prophet Daniel. He was both a wealthy and revered man. He had seen visions of Messiah. When he died, he entrusted his wealth to his students. That wealth was to be given to Messiah when he came. The astronomers watched the night sky for a sign that Messiah had come.

In the Jewish culture the day starts in the evening. Their months are governed by the sighting of the New Moon(i.e. the smallest sliver of moon that can be seen in the evening sky.) In the fall there are three feasts that the Jewish people observe.

The first is the "Feast of Trumpets" or the "Feast of Announcements". It ocurrs on the first day of the seventh Jewish month. The Jewish months seem to wander when compared with th Roman calendar. The feast of Announcements could happen any time from the middle of Sept. to the end of November. (there were ways that the feasts were calculated.)
The second feast is the day to prepare for the coming of Messiah. It is the holiest day of the Jewish calandar. It ocurrs on the tenth day of the seventh Jewish month.
The third fall feast was called the "Feast of Tabernacles". This feast starts on the 14th day of the Seventh month and lasts for eight days. It looked forward to the time that Messiah would live with his people.

The Bible says that the Magi were from the east and had seen His star rise in the eastern sky. (see Matt. 2:2 and the footnote in the N.I.V.)

Lets suppose that it is the year "0" B.C. It has been a very dry few years and the Feast of Announcements is very late in coming. The Magi are looking to the western sky to sight the first sliver of moon to start the feast. As they see the moon in the west, they look to the east and there just above the horizon is a commet. This commet however is special because it appears in the constellation of Leo. That constellation reminded the Jews of the Lion of the tribe of Judah. The commet may have been in conjunction with Regulus, the brightest star in Leo. The Magi knew the prophecy of Baalim, in Num 23. when he said that the Messiah would come like a commet. It all fit together. This was the Greatest Announcement of all time. The Magi also knew that the messiah would probably be born on the first day of the "Feast of Tabernacles". They left immediately took the treasures that had been entrusted to them, and went to Jerusalem. It took them two weeks to get there.They met with Herod and found out that the Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem. They started out and another commet appeared due south of them. (Bethlehem is due south of Jerusalem.) They followed this star and it led them to the Messiah. (This is very possible if the place where Jesus and Mary were housed was at the very south end of the town.) Jesus was born on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles, the Jewish holiday that looks to the time when Messiah lives with his people.

Did the Magi ever take part in Jesus life again? We don't know, but they probably disbanded since their work was done. Could it be that Nicodemus, the man that Jesus quoted John 3:16 to, and Joseph of Arimathia, the man that buried Jesus, were two of the Magi?

Hope this has been informative

God bless

Bryan

2006-11-28 14:56:35 · answer #1 · answered by free2bme55 3 · 0 0

Doesn't say 3 wise men some men from the east and they were astrologers which the jews would have nothing to do with.
It was forbidden to be an astrologers. They were not there at his birth but he was in a house it says when they came.
At his birth was the simple shepards that the angels called to see him. Luke 2:8 Then he goes back gets circumcised and goes to the temple and Matthew 2: 7 secretly talked to the astrologers. Matthew 2:11 they went into the house.
Mt.2:16 caused them to have to run away and all the babies 2 years and under had to die. If he was a new born the king would have said all new born babies. So the wicked angels in an attempt to get Jesus killed as a baby sent the Astrologers to let the king know where he was. Jesus had to fled into egypt.
So the wise men at the manger is not true. Nor do you know how many there was. Read all the books it never said how many.

2006-11-28 10:57:03 · answer #2 · answered by Steven 6 · 0 0

Neither the names nor the actual nationalities of the 3 Magi are listed anywhere in the Bible. Nor does the Bible say how many there were, only that there were "certain wisemen/magi. It only tells us that they came from the East -meaning east of Jerusalem- and that the journey took about 2 years or a bit less. Thus when you hear them named and when you see or hear stories about them going to see Jesus as a new born babe, rest assured that such information is mainly folklore and conjecture at best

2006-11-28 10:50:18 · answer #3 · answered by utuseclocal483 5 · 2 0

Caspar, Melchior and Balthasar are the names of the Magi from an early sixth Century Greek manuscript in Alexandria, translated into the Latin Excerpta Latina Barbari. The Latin text Collectanea et Flores continues the tradition of three kings and states they come from Syria. This text is said to be from the 8th century, of Irish origin. In the Eastern churches, Ethiopian Christianity, for instance, has Hor, Karsudan, and Basanater, while the Armenians have Kagbha, Badadakharida and Badadilma (cf. Acta Sanctorum, May, I, 1780 and Concerning The Magi And Their Names).

The Syrian Christians name the Magi Larvandad, Gushnasaph , and Hormisdas. These names have a far greater likelihood of being originally Persian, though that does not, of course, guarantee their authenticity. There is also a story about them being of the Zarathustra religion.

Matthew 2:1 - "After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi [*] from the east came to Jerusalem." (* Footnote: Traditionally Wise Men).

2.7Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

Matthew 2:16 - When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi.

2006-11-28 11:50:25 · answer #4 · answered by LongAgo 5 · 0 0

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2016-10-16 10:56:29 · answer #5 · answered by beaudin 4 · 0 0

I'm not sure if anyone actually knows their names.

They were probably Tibetan, most likely Buddhists.

It is customary for Tibetan holy men to consult astrological charts to determine when an enlightened being is being born into a new incarnation. If he/she is important enough the travel to see him and ask the parents if he can be brought back to Tibet for education.

This explains many of the things that are said in the bible. Wise men from the east. Following a star (Astrologically derived information).
It would also account for the many missing years in the Jesus story. It would also explain Jesus' Ideas of oneness with God. And universally applied love. Love your neighbor, love your enemy, and his nonjudgmental teachings.

Love and blessings Don

2006-11-28 10:58:16 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Traditonally they are named Caspar, Melchior and Balthasar.

but there are no names in the bible. also, there is no number 3. the only 3 are the three gifts they offered.

In Matthew 2, it is recorded that they came from the East to Jerusalem looking for "he that is born King of the Jews." These were "magi", a priestly caste of learned men. The only known Magian priests East of Palestine (at the time of Christ's birth), were in ancient Media, Persia, Assyria, and Babylonia. There is no proof of what country these men came from, and there is no consensus among the early Church Fathers.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi


god bless!!

2006-11-28 10:50:04 · answer #7 · answered by happy pilgrim 6 · 0 0

The Bible doesn't say. If their names or nationalities were important, they would have been included in the Divine record. The Bible also doesn't say how many astrologers visited Jesus. However, it does say that the astrologers did NOT visit Jesus in the stable like the shepherds did. Instead, they went to see Jesus in a house some two years after he was born. Matt. 2:11

2006-11-28 10:50:53 · answer #8 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 2 0

my question is, these 3 wisemen knew that jesus was born and he was someone special. how come they never thought to document any part of jesus' life growing up? they knew he was going to be the savior and everything. doesnt that seem odd to you? if u knew something spectacular was going to happen wouldnt u at least follow it along make notes or something about the story of it while its happening?

2006-11-28 10:47:16 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Neither names nor nationalities are given. It just says they were of the magi class and that they came from the East. I would presume, from boyth those things, that the came from the Euphrates area - that would be present day Iraq and Iran.

2006-11-28 10:53:09 · answer #10 · answered by Mr Ed 7 · 1 0

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