John 10:30 states "I and my Father are one." Is Jesus the same as the Father?

Question

If that were true, then how did God give His Son to die for us?

How could this be blasphemy? I am quoting scripture and asking a question.

Answer 1

“I and the Father are one”, some make the claim that this makes Christ “God”. However here is another text to consider, John 14:20 “At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.”

Now if Christ and His Father are one and that makes Him “God” then since God dwells in His Father and we dwell in Christ, then would we not also be “Gods”?
Verse 6 reads like this “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Christ and the father are one in reconciling the world back unto the Father, which is done through His Son. We can only have this reconciliation by why of the sacrifice, which Christ gave, that was His death for our sins.

Verse 9 reads thus; “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?”
Here we have Jesus explaining that if they saw Christ they should have seen the Father. Does this mean that He is God? No, read then next verse , verse 10 “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
Now here we have it, everything that Christ did it was the Father working through Christ that the things were done by. Again the theory that Christ is God is yet again undermined.

But here is something more concrete.
Revelation 5:1 “And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals”
The one sitting on the throne is the Father, in verses 6 and 7 “And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.”
Now here we have Christ (the Lamb) taking the Book out of the one sitting on the throne. If Christ is God he’d be sitting on the throne.
Verse 9 and 10 “And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”
Now it is Christ that has made the 24 elder priest and kings by His blood unto who, Himself? Well No not Himself but unto God, His Father.
Verse 11 and 12 “And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.”
So here we have it Christ is given some things it would have to come from His Father for the angels could not give Him these things listed. “Power, Riches, Wisdom, Strength, Honour, Glory and Blessing” Here is the question, If Christ WAS God then would He not have these things already? And even have them from before the world was created?
One last verse and question shall we?
John 20:17 “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
If Christ is God then who is His God. Remember that the Catholic church and ALL “Trinitarians” hold that the Father is God and Christ is God and the Holy Spirit is God and they are really one God. So just who is the God of Christ. There understanding would have it that Christ is “God” so He was really referring to Himself.
Really people, enough of this “pagan” doctrine. There is no mystery about the Godhead. There is One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ of all TRUE believers. 1 Cor 8:6 “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”
Peace and Grace in the Name of the Father and His Son our saviour Jesus, THE Christ.

Answer 2

The statement by Christ concerning Him and His Father being one expresses that Christ is equal to in that He is a memeber of the God headling, along with the Father and the Son. All three personalilties Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are separate, but the same in that they act as one, think one, and are always in agreement with one another. 1 John 5:7 "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. With that, verse in mind, one has to go to Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (The Father, also at this time the earth was in an unfinished state) Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (The Holy Spirit) And God said, Let ther be light:and there was light. (So then, when God spoke the words "Let there be light," Jesus whose name is word of God, and who is the light of the world came forth and created as it is today). From this we see that all three of God's personalities were present from very beginning.

Answer 3

GOOD ONE!

You have hit on the essence of the doctrine of the Trinity.

One god only: Deuteronomy 6:4
"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!"

Yet the Bible is clear that there are three involved. Even in the beginning, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Genesis 1:26

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This is talking about Jesus being both with God and being God.

In Matthew 3:16-17 we actually see the three person of the Trinity co-located in the same event:
16 And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, 17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."

The Trinity is so unified that they actually are one God. Yet they are distinct enough that when Jesus was dying on the cross, we read: "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?"
Mark 15:34

Answer 4

That text, at John 10:30, is often cited to support the Trinity, even though no third person is mentioned there. But Jesus himself showed what he meant by his being "one" with the Father. At John 17:21, 22, he prayed to God that his disciples "may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, . . . that they may be one just as we are one." Was Jesus praying that all his disciples would become a single entity? No, obviously Jesus was praying that they would be united in thought and purpose, as he and God were.—See also 1 Corinthians 1:10.

Jesus prayed to God that his disciples might "all be one," just as he and his Father "are one"

At 1 Corinthians 3:6, 8, Paul says: "I planted, Apollos watered . . . He that plants and he that waters are one." Paul did not mean that he and Apollos were two persons in one; he meant that they were unified in purpose. The Greek word that Paul used here for "one" (hen) is neuter, literally "one (thing)," indicating oneness in cooperation. It is the same word that Jesus used at John 10:30 to describe his relationship with his Father. It is also the same word that Jesus used at John 17:21, 22. So when he used the word "one" (hen) in these cases, he was talking about unity of thought and purpose.

Right in the context of the verses after John 10:30, Jesus forcefully argued that his words were not a claim to be God. He asked the Jews who wrongly drew that conclusion and wanted to stone him: "Why do you charge me with blasphemy because I, consecrated and sent into the world by the Father, said, 'I am God's son'?" (John 10:31-36) No, Jesus claimed that he was, not God the Son, but the Son of God.

Answer 5

Good point. The scriptures also tell us we should become one with Christ, and I don't think this means we ARE Christ or appendages of Him. God did give his Son. There are a lot ways to interpret the Bible, and some choose to say they are one, while others say they are separate beings. Being separate does not lessen their importance or make them any less godly. I as you think it makes sense logically that they are separate. This is how it was originally believed, at least until someone came up with the idea of the Trinity and the Catholic church by vote adopted it in 325 AD. Anyway, to each his own.

Answer 6

Jesus, the Father, and the Spirit are three in one--the Trinity. It is a very confusing thought, but true. By the way, the Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible.

Answer 7

it is true

because God is a spirit
and he became flesh,
Christ means anointed flesh
by coming to earth in the body of a baby he became the son of man but He was still God, it was hes glory that inhabited the body the same glory that dwelt over the ark.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Answer 8

Yes. we are limited humans and cannot understand it. but God, creator of the universe, isn't limited and sent his son Jesus, being one with God and the Holy Spirit. we call it the trinity. if we could understand everything God does, and why, then we would be gods, and he would be just a common man.

Noble angel, Great (and correct) answer

Answer 9

when Jesus said that he was with God from the beginning and he know his Father real well. not the is was God. my daughter looks like me but she is my daughter, not me. Jesus is seating at the right hand of God Jehovah. when Jesus prayed, he was not praying to himself, he was praying to his Father Jehovah. www.watchtower.org

Answer 10

No, not exactly. The Father and the Son are one, as in they are unified. You can say 'Christians are one in Christ,' but that doesn't mean we're all the same. Think of it as different parts of a whole.