A challenge?

Question

Creationists and intelligent designers, do you have a single argument that can resist logical scrutiny and hard evidence?

Mainworry, you have asked for it by bringing up complexity. Have fun with this:

http://dllab.caltech.edu/avida/

Short truth is that complexity does happen. Its not like you have to start with a whole person or even a modern eukaryotic cell, you know. One very simple life form and a few billion years would be all it takes.

Tim M, nice try but you don't know astronomy. The universe is at absolute minimum 156 billion light years wide and full of so many stars it is almost uncountable. Why are you surprised that at least one star system turned out to be just right?

Answer 1

You mean like how paleontology is Darwinism's biggest embarrassment? Where the very bottom layer of preserved fossils show abrupt appearance of ALL phyla followed by loong periods of stasis? Yeah that one is called the Cambrian Explosion. Or the many attempts by Darwinists through the decades to affirm humaniod skeletons were missing links only to be confirmed later by Darwinists to be extinct apes? Or the tooth found by Darwinists and claimed to be a missing link...only to later be proven by Darwinists to be a pigs tooth? Or how about the insurmountable recent problems uncovered as our knowledge of biology increased? Such as the outboard motor on the bacterial flagellum, a peice of equipment that could not offer any selective benefit unless all the parts are there? Just like a rat trap will not do anything beneficial unless all the parts are there? Or how about the deliberate misrepresentation of embryology where Darwinists doctored the pictures to make it appear that the early stages of develop display a snap shot of our common ancestry, only to be dismissed by the likes of Steven Gould as a hoax, because even earlier stages of embyonic development show distinct differences among species. Or how about the fact that Darwinism has no scientific explanation of how DNA could have arisen by natural selection. Sure natural selection is a plausible explanation for the evolution of species but the bottom line is natural selection cannot give rise to informational DNA. You have to have DNA before you can imagine DNA mutations. Hmm. Nope. The scientific community has really let the public down on that one. "Fred Hoyle and his colleague Chandra Wickramasinghe calculated the odds that all the functional proteins necessary for life might form in one place by random events. They came up with the figure of one chance in 10 to the 40000 power. (thats 1 with 40000 zeros after it). Since there are only about 10 to the 80 power subatomic particles in the entire visible universe, the physicists concluded that this was 'an outragously small probability that could not be faced even if the whol universe consisted of organic soup.'"

Darwinism is first and foremost a philosophy, not a science. When Scientists cannot even offer a valid explanation of how informational specificity could have arisen without intelligent giudeance, why do then try to explain how life could evolve without guideance. The most difficult question has not been answered yet!! That is why I am so convinced Darwinism is a philosophy that many people will choose to believe regardless of where the evidence leads. Bottom line is people do not want to submit to a God who tells them their lifestyle is wrong. Very selfish dont you think?

I could offer a lot more references if you like. Just send me an email.

Answer 2

Can you come up with hard evidence that the earth and everything on it wasn't created by God? No. I don't deny that evolution occurs, because it does. But evolution does not answer the question of how the earth came to exist. I also don't think one must believe in creationism and theories such as the Big Bang exclusively, I don't. Matter is neither created nor destroyed, but could not God have gathered the matter to create the Earth and the Universe in which it resides? Of course.

So, either way you have your theories, which is what they are. You can exercise faith and believe in a God, or you can try to extend theories to a level they cannot be proved. Myself, it all works together. God told me so (whether that's logical evidence or not, but I guess since he spoke so clear I can't deny it).

Good luck on figuring it out.

Answer 3

Sure.
It takes more faith to believe something else than to believe in creation.
E.g. for life to exist on earth, there is an entire tool box of controls that all have to be "just so" for life to begin, let alone continue.

The earth must be exactly the size it is, with just enough gravity to hold an atmosphere, but not so much gravity that every rock in near space drops in on us; earth at exactly the distance from the sun that it is; the sun must be exactly the size it is with the composition it has, the moon must be exactly the size and location it is, etc. ad infinum.

For instance, if there were no moon, there would be no tides on the earth, the seas would be stagnant, and there would be no sea life, such as photoplankton, to generate 80% of the oxygen of the earth.

No, the chances AGAINST life happening are far too great to be chance.

Answer 4

I have to admit, if you do not believe in God or the spiritual realm, then nope, i can't come up with an argument. I am a new Christian and i have not fully prepared an argument against that. For me, what the Bible says is enough. I am working on an sufficient argument. If you would like to read a book on the subject of creationism read "A Case For a Creator," it is written by a former atheist who ,once he started investigating Christianity throughly, could not find a sufficient argument against it. It's very easy reading and you can get a version that is relatively short, the student edition. I recommend it whether you believe or not.

Answer 5

We live on a planet teeming with life. Plant life with approximately 250,000 species. Animal life with over a million species. Scientist are learning just how complex life is. So complex that it requires design. The evidence of design requires a designer. Scientists are also learning the conditions for life, just how perfect conditions here on planet Earth are to support all this life.

To think, people believe this all happened by chance. Yes the odds are 1 in 1(with a billion trillion zeros behind it). Yes it is a belief by many that this all just happened by chance. That belief takes a greater faith than believing in a Creator. A virtual impossibility is an impossibility.

Yea right, DNA just happens.

Your faith in such nonsense is greater than my faith in God.

Live and learn.

Answer 6

It takes more faith to believe that something sprung from nothing, than to believe that an intelligent,awe-inspiring God created the universe and everything in it.
Can you explain how that computer keyboard you're typing on came to be ? Did all the parts just explode into a cohesive,working design all by itself ? Pretty ridiculous thought.
Read the bible.It speaks of you.
"The FOOL hath said in his heart,there is no God" Psalms 14:1

Answer 7

Talkin of challenges, there's a new one (worth $1,000,000 of intelligently designed currency) to prove that Jesus is not the son of the flying spaghetti monster.

Oh just to clarify on the answer above, on the conditions of earth, do some research on the anthropic principle. In terms of chance in life, evolution has almost nothing to do with chance. On the argument from design, read "the blind watchmaker" by Dawkins which essentially discredits this argument.

Answer 8

I guess the ones that have been given day after day since I've been on this forum and probably everyday before that weren't good enough?.....I honestly get tired of this same old question. It's asked in such a way that makes it evident you aren't REALLY open to hearing our responses.

Answer 9

look up information on formal debates between creation science and evolution science, and you will see that evolutionists have not one solid piece of logical hard evidence.
evolution never made sense to me in jr high school it just left too many open ends.
and name one thing of this world that is constant.
evolution is a ridiculous theory that will eventually have to stop being taught to our children in school because as the years go by it is more and more obviously a false theory.

Answer 10

What logical scrutiny and hard evidence are you claiming? Bring it on.