Disprove Heaven?

Question

I go to a Christian university and we are debating this on Thursday afternoon.
Some of you may recognize this as a repost, and I got some very good responses-- however it may not be enough.
My job is to proove that there is no heaven.
This is most difficult for me, because I believe in heaven...
What scientific or logical explination do you have that heaven doesn't exist?
Thanks so much for your help.

Answer 1

In the 13 years of Psychic school, I have had many chances to ask my Spirit Guides about this subject. After you settle in on the other side of life, you can make your suroundings whatever you want pretty much in your spare time. Some like forests, some like gardens, some like music, some like subdivisions, some like a heavenly atmosphere. There definately isn't a heaven or hell choice when you die. That was made up by religion to scare people. The truth I have spoken, the truth you have read, they ain't goin to like it...lol

Answer 2

Wow, good luck, that is really hard for a believer to do. Even if it is for college. Please read to the end.

Right from the earliest chapters of Genesis the Bible declares the worldview that the Christian is to adopt. This includes what can be called several fundamental and many derived points. Some of these are:

Fundamental Points

A personal Creator who is distinct from the creation. In other words God is a person, not an impersonal cosmic force. God and His creation are not one and the same in essence.
There was a historical fall in Eden, leading to everlasting death. Christ's sacrificial work opened the only way out of this damnation.

Evolutionist Worldview
Evolutionism, by its very nature, requires a worldview in opposition to Biblical Christianity. If evolution is true, then the Christian faith is worthless! This is because then: Adam and Eve were only mythological; They didn’t disobey God and introduce sin into the world; Sin is then just undesirable traits left over from the lower stages of evolution, which humankind will eventually outgrow; Therefore, if there’s really no such thing as sin, we don’t need a Savior to pay for them; Jesus, if he existed, then becomes merely a good man, highly evolved ahead of his time, rather than the Savior and cornerstone of our faith. Therefore Genesis isn’t really literally true. This casts doubt on the accuracy of the whole Bible, such as the passages where Jesus indicated that He believed in Adam and Eve and the creation.

Worldviews in Contention
The creation vs. evolution debate highlights the two basic worldviews or belief systems: one in which God is at the center of the picture, and one that places man at the center.

The liberal / humanist view is that man’s nature is essentially good, and that if given enough time we will eventually outgrow the problems that society faces. This view states that we need to throw off past restraints (especially religious and moral restraints) so that we are free to explore and develop toward a higher state of being.

The conservative / Christian view on the other hand, is that man is a fallen creature—essentially flawed, selfish, and in need of a Savior. Without God prominently in the picture, culture and society inevitably degenerate to a state of disorder and decay (de-evolution).

These two views are the basis of today’s culture clash. Generally on the liberal / humanist / evolutionist side are the news and entertainment media, government schools and universities, government institutions, and other liberal groups. On the conservative / Christian / creationist side are the evangelical and fundamentalist churches, and conservative, pro-family groups. The clash is becoming more vocal as liberal groups demand ever more freedom from traditional moral values. Evolution is the rallying point of liberal / humanist groups. If, as they claim, we’re just accidents in space, then we can set the rules and don’t have to be accountable to any God.

Good Luck.

Answer 3

Firstly, 'heaven' has to be defined before we go further. I assume you mean heaven to be the place where saved souls go after they die and where God is. Concentrating on this, I'd look for how this concept developed in humans and try to tie it into the mind's mechanisms for dealing with its perceived death. If we can look at both of those, we can see a development that leads to heaven being a belief manufactured by the mind. I'm not saying this is true; just saying that it's one way to go about trying to disprove it. I'd also look into the fact that there were and are so many different interpretations of what happens when we die -- and how Jesus' message was interpreted very very differenlty by different people.

Answer 4

For knowledge to exist, three facts must be accepted as true:

- Math & Logic are valid
- Direct observations or aided observations supported by Math & Logic are valid
- Supernatural existence, if real, does not involve itself in the natural realm (otherwise, any 'fact' could be changed by the interference -- say by the God of Gravity changing his mind on how strong it will be tomorrow).

Free will can thus be shown to be false:

- The mind is a consequence of the physical nature of the brain (Nonsupernatural causation axiom).
- Quantum physics contains a truly random component (Mathematical axiom)
- All observations can be expressed mathematically (Mathematical axiom).
- All principles causal to observations can be expressed mathematically (Mathematical Axiom).
- All mathematical expressions can be evaluated (Mathematical Axiom).
- An evaluation need not be deterministic, it can be stochaistic, that is, describing 'probabilities'. (Statistical mathematics).
- Since quantum physics can affect the human brain, and thus mind, the human state is mathematically stochaistic (consequential)
- If the quantum randomness is rescoped to be viewed as an input, the human brain ceases to be stoichasitic and is deterministic. (statement of rescope)
- A deterministically computable system is incapable of escaping its previous states, and produces outputs based on a computable result of the previous state and current inputs.(Turing-Church Thesis)
- Determinism counters free will. (By definition)
- Free will is not possible. (consequential)
- If a deity exists, free will is a natural consequence. (axiomic, potentially debatable. However, a deity that creates intelligence without free will cannot hold its creation responsible)
- Free will does not exist, therefore, deity does not exist. (modus tollens).

The idea of a god existing is disproven logically.

Answer 5

Only a Christian debating society would ask someone to 'disprove' something. ANY debating society worthy of the name would understand that in logical debate you CANNOT and should not be asked to 'disprove' ANYTHING. It is NOT incumbent on anyone to disprove a thing. It is incumbent on the person who stated the existance or truth of a thing to prove his statement. Without proof, the statement is considered false on its face. The 'proof' that there is no heaven is that there is no proof FOR heaven.

Answer 6

In the Beginning God created the heavens and the Earth and put a firmament between them. During the flood this firmament was removed so that means that there is nothing seperating the Heavens and Earth. This heaven must be what is now outside of Earth, or space. Space is Heaven. First book of the Bible, everything else is rubbish.

Answer 7

Simple. You don't need to disprove heaven. The burden of proof is not on you, it's on the person making such an extraordinary claim such as heaven's existence. It's assumed not to exist until they can provide some sort of actual proof *for* it. Your job is already done.

Answer 8

One of the first tenets of REAL SCIENCE is that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

So, the debate becomes meaningless creationist claptrap, with a rigged question that is bound to "prove" what you "know" already. Your time would probably be better spent doing some real education, or even chatting up some pretty girls.

Answer 9

We can't physically prove or disprove anything. My faith tells me there is a God, whom became man and came to this earth in the Man of Jesus, and went to the cross to pay the price for my sins so I could spend eternity with Him "in Heaven" when I leave this life.

Answer 10

I would not participate in that. Really I wouldn't. It goes against what you believe. Stand up for the truth, tell them you will write why there IS a heaven instead. Do you believe in Jesus Christ?