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I want to know the different points of views in Christianity (if any) for this topic.

2006-11-28 06:57:18 · 19 answers · asked by msalam 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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No, not all christians believe in the TRINITY.
http://www.mindspring.com/~anthonybuzzard/trinity.htm
In fact here are some that don't:
Living Church of God
http://www.lcg.org/search/search.php?query=trinity&%24results_per_page=10&search=1
http://www.lcg.org/search/search.php?query=god%27s+church+through+the+ages&type=and&results=10&search=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Church_of_God
Churches of God
http://www.giveshare.org/churchhistory/sda/064.sda.html
Jehovah Witnesses
http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_04.htm
Unitarians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Christianity
http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=113
United Pentecostals
http://experts.about.com/q/Pentecostals-2256/Trinity-1.htm
http://www.cephasministry.com/index_pentecostals.html
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1JOHN 4:1 = "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because MANY FALSE PROPHETS are gone out into the world."
(In reference to the crowd = Matt.7:13; 24:24; some departing from the faith = Acts 20:29-30)

PROVERBS 28:11 = "The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out."
{conceit = Prov.26:5; Rom.11:25; 12:16}
(In reference to Heb.5:14= "knowing good and evil"; 1Thess.5:21= "prove all things")

TRINITY is defined as "A three-fold personality existing in one divine being or substance; the union in one God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three infinite co-equal, co-eternal persons as; one God in three persons."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

The Trinity Doctrine came from paganism.
(Pagan means no religious beliefs; in the 1984 New Concise Webster's Dictionary--Pagan defined : "A heathen; one having no religious beliefs")
http://www.thunderministries.com/Beast/Apostasy.html
http://www.sabbatarian.com/Paganism/HecateTrinity.html
http://www.cornerstone1.org/trinity1.htm
http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=140
http://mikeblume.com/pagantr.htm

Most of the majority(Matt.7:13) leads people away from the Truth.

(KJV BIBLE)There are 3 that protestants claim about the trinity; they're JOHN 14 & 15 and 1JOHN 5:7. To start out 1JOHN 5:7 was never in any of the inspired Greek manuscripts; so this knocks out one. As for John 14 & 15; the Greek word for "helper" is paracletos; one who helps inwhich points to the Holy spirit. In Greek, the word "He" is neuter such as "hand" is feminine whether it is a woman's hand or male's hand. As for the word "paracletos" it is masculine and always require a masculine pronoun. This however doesn't prove personhood as you've noticed.
But as you've noticed, these texts don't prove Jesus is God or the Holy Spirit.
I don't believe in the TRINITY! The Bible texts that I'm going to mention contradict the Trinity teaching.
MATT.12:32 "AND WHOSOEVER SPEAKETH A WORD AGAINST THE SON OF MAN, IT SHALL BE FORGIVEN HIM: BUT WHOSOEVER SPEAKETH AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST, IT SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN HIM, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, NEITHER IN THE WORLD TO COME."
JOHN 14:28 "IF YE LOVED ME, YE WOULD REJOICE, BECAUSE I SAID , I GO UNTO THE FATHER: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."
1COR.11:3 "BUT I WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW THAT THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST; & THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD."
LUKE 18:19 "AND JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? NONE IS GOOD, SAVE ONE, THAT IS, GOD."
****SEVERAL OTHER TEXTS SAY THERE'S ONLY TWO PERSONS:
1COR.1:3; 8:6; 1TIM.1:2; 2:5; GAL.1:3; PHILIPP.1:2; ROM.1:7; 2COR.1:2-3; 1THESS.1:1; 2THESS.1:2; 2TIM.1:2; PHILEMON 1:3; 1PETER 1:3; 2PETER 1:2; 1JOHN 1:3; 2JOHN 1:3.

Now touching on the HOLY SPIRIT; the Holy Spirit is a power(Luke 1:35= "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the "Son of God.") where God and Jesus make their presence known in the hearts and minds of believers(1John 3:24 = "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."). The believers of god and Jesus will have this love poured on them (Rom.5:5 = "And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given to us.") It will teach them understanding and wisdom of God's Word (John 14:16,17,20,23,26 = "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. At that day ye shall know that I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.") Jesus had the Holy Spirit in him when he made the lame walk and the deaf to hear and etc.(Luke 5:15-17) God works in our minds to give us stength to overcome (Genesis 6:3 = "And the Lord said, my Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.") Other texts are: John 7:38-39; Rom.8:11,13-14,16 and Psalm 104:30.

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Another text that Trinitarians use to say Jesus is the same being as God is John 10:30.
Well many confuse this text in John 10:30 to say Jesus and God are one and the same person; but this text doesn't mean that.
Go back to verse 29; doesn't it say that Jesus's Father is greater than him. In fact what does Jesus/Bible tell us in these texts; doesn't it say that Jesus and God are seperate people?

JOHN 14:28 = "YE HAVE HEARD HOW I SAID UNTO YOU, I GO AWAY, AND COME AGAIN UNTO YOU. IF YE LOVED ME, YE WOULD REJOICE, BECAUSE I SAID, I GO UNTO THE FATHER: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."

JOHN 20:17 = "JESUS SAID UNTO HER, TOUCH ME NOT; FOR I AM NOT ASCENDED TO MY FATHER: BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN, AND SAY TO THEM, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER, AND YOUR FATHER; AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD."

1COR.11:3 "BUT I WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW THAT THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST; & THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD."

LUKE 18:19 "AND JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? NONE IS GOOD, SAVE ONE, THAT IS, GOD."

MATT.19:17 = "AND HE SAID UNTO HIM, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS, GOD: BUT IF THOU WILT ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS."

****SEVERAL OTHER TEXTS SAY THERE'S ONLY TWO PERSONS:
1COR.1:3; 8:6; 1TIM.1:2; 2:5; GAL.1:3; PHILIPP.1:2; ROM.1:7; 2COR.1:2-3; 1THESS.1:1; 2THESS.1:2; 2TIM.1:2; PHILEMON 1:3; 1PETER 1:3; 2PETER 1:2; 1JOHN 1:3; 2JOHN 1:3.

So what does John 10:30 really means--when it says "I and my Father are one?" Well let's go further down to John 10:38. Doesn't it tell us that God and Jesus are alike and similar in actions, features, and etc? Take a Father with his son or a Mother with her daughter; do they have characteristics like you; but does that mean they're you? No of course not; they're seperate, but are alike in different ways.

JOHN 10:38 = "BUT IF I DO, THOUGH YE BELIEVE NOT ME, BELIEVE THE WORKS: THAT YE MAY KNOW, AND BELIEVE, THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME, AND I IN HIM."

JOHN 5:19-20 = "THEN, ANSWERED JESUS AND SAID UNTO THEM, VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, BUT WHAT HE SEETH THE FATHER DO: FOR WHAT THINGS SOEVER HE DOETH, THESE ALSO DOETH THE SON LIKEWISE. FOR THE FATHER LOVETH THE SON, AND SHEWETH HIM ALL THINGS THAT HIMSELF DOETH: AND HE WILL SHEW HIM GREATER WORKS THAN THESE, THAT YE MAY MARVEL."

JOHN 17:21-22 = "THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAS SENT ME. AND THE GLORY WHICH THOU GAVEST ME I HAVE GIVEN THEM; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE."

JOHN 14:10-11 = "BELIEVEST THOU NOT THAT I AM IN THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IN ME? THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I SPEAK OF NOT MYSELF: BUT THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS. BELIEVE ME THAT I AM IN THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IN ME: OR ELSE BELIEVE ME FOR THE VERY WORKS' SAKE."

JOHN 5:36 = "BUT I HAVE A GREATER WITNESS THAN THAT OF JOHN: FOR THE WORKS WHICH THE FATHER HATH GIVEN ME TO FINISH, THE SAME WORKS THAT I DO, BEAR WITNESS OF ME, THAT THE FATHER HATH SENT ME."

JOHN 10:25 = "JESUS ANSWERED THEM, I TOLD YOU, AND YOU BELIEVED NOT: THE WORKS THAT I DO IN MY FATHER'S NAME, THEY BEAR WITNESS OF ME."

Also many others such as:
JOHN 8:28,42,49-50,54; 5:19-20,26-27,30; 6:38,57
MATT.20:23

Jesus Christ came here on earth to show people who God is by his actions and features. So if we knew Jesus in our heart; we would know God because Jesus showed us when he was on earth. (JOHN 17:3)
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Is Jesus God?
The Answer is definately "NO".

Is Jesus God?
Jesus Christ is not God (he was figuratively God in the Old Testament; the spokesperson for God) = John 1:1. So does the Bible say Jesus is God; no it says that Jesus is the son of God = 1John 4:15.
References of the devil or demons calling Jesus Son of God:
Matthew 4:3
Matthew 4:6,
Matthew 8:29
Mark 3:11
Luke 4:3
Luke 4:9
Luke 4:41

References to humans calling Jesus Son of God:
Matthew 14:33
Matthew 27:54
Mark 1:1
Mark 15:39
John 1:34
John 1:49
John 11:27
John 20:31
Acts 9:20
Romans 1:4
2 Corinthians 1:19
Galatians 2:20
Hebrews 4:14
Hebrews 6:6
Hebrews 7:3
Hebrews 10:29
1 John 3:8
1 John 4:15
1 John 5:1
1 John 5:5
1 John 5:10
1 John 5:13
1 John 5:20
Matthew 14:33
Revelation 2:18

Jesus referring to himself as the Son of God:
John 3:18
John 5:25
John 10:36
John 11:4
http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/tw-mag.cgi?category=Magazine3&item=1103832467
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To understand this better; most people say Jesus is God; how can this be? What happened to Jesus then, if Jesus is God or what happened to God if Jesus is God?
1John 2:22-24.
The Bible contradicts the Trinity teaching over and over. Now if Jesus was a trinity (which is unbiblical), that would mean he didn't come fully in the flesh = 1John 4:3.
How can Jesus be God and talk to himself? Also if Jesus was God on the earth; that would mean he was a spirit; we know this wasn't true because of 1John 4:2-3 and 2Jn.1:7.
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1472651266051497771QlfGdY

Is God really a TRINITY?
http://lcg.org/search/search.php?query=IS+THERE+A+TRINITY&%24results_per_page=10&search=1
http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/booklets/tw-bk.cgi?category=Booklets1&item=1104363708

2006-11-28 07:38:25 · answer #1 · answered by KNOWBIBLE 5 · 2 0

No, all Christians do not believe in the Trinity.

You have essentially two groups, well three. You have the Catholics, who by committee in 325 AD declared the doctrine of the Trinity to be the truth. Prior to that they believed the three entities were separate. The second group are those sects of the reformation (or basically anyone that broke off from the Catholic church, e.g. Lutheran, Methodist, etc.). The last group are those that believe in a restoration, or a returning of the church which Christ set up on the earth as it was in his time. This group would include the Mormons, and possibly the Jehovah Witnesses and Pentecostals.

Now, who is to say who is correct, except God of course. One can interpret the Bible in anyway they would like, and possible think it is very logical, just as I do, but either way, if they believe as the central doctrine of their faith the devine mission of Jesus Christ, to take away the sins of mankind, then I would say they are Christian. Whether you want to see it this way is up to you.

2006-11-28 15:47:55 · answer #2 · answered by straightup 5 · 0 0

Many sects of Christianity do such as Catholics and some version of Protestant but Christians like Jehovah Witness don't. The trinity is about the father, the son and the holy spirit, and some sects do the sign of the cross-which reps. the trinity.

2006-11-28 15:09:15 · answer #3 · answered by Annie 5 · 0 0

NO! As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, we do not believe in or teach the Trinity doctrine. We believe that Jehovah alone is the Most High God, Jesus Christ is his only begotten son (not equal) and the Messiah through whom we can receive salvation and the King and Lord that God has appointed over Heaven and Earth, and the holy spirit is God's active force, not a separate person/being.

2006-11-28 15:05:02 · answer #4 · answered by passerby 2 · 1 0

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (or Mormons to most people) do NOT believe in the Holy Trinity. We believe that they are 3 Separate Beings, as stated in the Holy Bible:

21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.


Christ was there, the Holy Ghost came down and the voice was heard, that of Heavenly Father.

2006-11-28 17:41:14 · answer #5 · answered by gottaluvalaska 1 · 0 0

The Holy Trinity is one of the most fundamental and basic beliefs for any believer to be called "Christian". One of the reasons for this is because it was one of Jesus' instructions to his disciples to baptize people "in the name of the Father; the Son, and the Holy Ghost..." (Matthew 28:19), which is a clear indicator to the nature and identity of God the Creator, introduced only by His Son, who is the only one who came with the complete and infallible knowledge of God His Father and both Their Holy Spirit.
The majority of Christian denominations are based on this belief: that God is ONE, consisting of THREE Divine Elements, each associated with certain entitlements and different missions, all, exclusively attributed to the Divine Creator we know as "THE ONE GOD".
One denomination I know of, which does not admit and believe in the Trinity of the Almighty (and consequently denies the Divinity of Jesus Christ) and which yet calls itself "Christian", is Jehovah's Witnesses.
I'm not sure this is the only denomination with such a belief system; there are probably others of this kind (probably those who attribute their creeds to the ancient Gnostic; Arian or yet other heretic beliefs of the early Christian centuries), but there's no doubt that those (if more than one) have strayed disastrously from the basics of Christ's teachings, to begin with, and God only knows where they are heading.

2006-11-28 15:41:25 · answer #6 · answered by Elizus 2 · 0 1

True the word Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible. Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons- who should NOT be called Christians do not believe in it. The Bible is full of verses that define the word Trinity without using the actual word. Matthew 28:19, 2Corinthians 13:14, and John 14:16-17, John 1:18,John 15:26
John 17:11, John 17:21, Zechariah 14:9 all talk more about the harmony of Three separate parts all being one God. Like in Sunday School- you have a shell, egg whites, and yoke- all are different but all still make up an egg and work together. Make sense?

2006-11-28 15:05:37 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 4

pretty much

conservative Christians, Protestant Catholics and Eastern orthodox would consider the nature of God and Jesus to be an essential and knowing God part of saving faith... they wouldnt want to wander to far away form those doctrines

so... yes... God is three in persons and one in essense or nature the Athanasian Trinity Jesus took on an additional human nature so he would have the divine nature and part of the trinity, and also a creaturely unfallen human nature
and this is called the hypostatic union

the other views are not considered orthodox and not accepted by Christians and not widely accepted include:

1) the Sybelllian trinity, one God wears three hats, one god that looks like three persons but is not
2) Jesus as a created super angel who made the world, the Jehovah Witnesses view Jesus was 'mihael the archangel'
3) the view of Mormans that Jesus and Lucifer were the first two children of God and were at odds
4) the very of 'They Way' that God zapped the DNA of MAry's baby Jesus and made him perfect

2006-11-28 15:02:48 · answer #8 · answered by whirlingmerc 6 · 0 3

no, only the good Christians...

unfortunetly for me, I have always found the whole concept kind of odd. and wrong in some way, but I know this would classify me as a bad Christian, or even worse, not a Christian at all.

I think the way Christians interpret it make it confusing.

But I will not give my interpretation at this time, just because I am sick of getting 30 thumbs downs...this way i will only get 10 :)

2006-11-28 15:01:31 · answer #9 · answered by Mo 4 · 2 1

Although there are religions who call themselves Christian who do not believe in the Trinity, I strongly believe it is impossible to be a follower of Christ and deny the Trinity. It is one of the essentials of the Christian faith. It would be the same as someone saying they believe in Jesus, but not that he was born of a virgin. Either you are a follower of the Bible's teachings or you aren't. There is no middle ground that people try so hard to stand on.

2006-11-28 15:05:24 · answer #10 · answered by Rixie 4 · 1 4

Absolutely not. Not every Christian beleives in the Trinity. Not even every denomination. I can't remember what they call themselves, but one of them only believe in the name of 'Jesus'.

2006-11-28 15:02:46 · answer #11 · answered by rivkarut2004 3 · 1 0

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