God has no free will? How do you evaluate this argument?

Question

Here are the arguments from an aetheist's site:
1.An Omniscient (all-knowing) Being Does Not Have Free Will. (Because all of God’s action is pre-determined. He can know everything in advance so all he have to do is select the perfect course of action. )
2.A Perfect God Has No Free Will. It cannot do something that is less moral or "good" than something else, because that would not be perfectly good, but merely second-best good. In every situation, God only has one choice: The most moral/good one. God does not have free will.
3. A Moral God has No Free Will. God, as the ultimate creator, created goodness. God is also said to be a perfectly good benevolent God. This means that God fulfils every possibility of the goodness it has created. It is the be-all and end-all of goodness, perfectly good and unerringly good. If God was not 100 percent perfectly moral, God would not be perfect. This results in a complete lack of free will for God.

4. God exists outside of time... where there is no free will Free will is the making of choices according to our own deliberation. Deliberation requires thought, and thought requires change over time. If time was frozen and nothing changed, no-one would have free will. Free will is a concept that only exists inside the timeline. If God is, as is required, a creator of Time and Space, then God exists outside of time.
5.How can a creator of free will have free will? Did God create free will? How then does it itself have free will? If God created free will then God had no choice in doing so. It must have been predestined to create it. But what created that predestination?

CONCLUSION: God is not moral. He has no free will.

Please analyze by saying whether or not the premises are true or false?

Answer 1

The Argument is fallacious. Even the 1st premise is wrong. Here's my evaluation.

1. False. God DOES not pre-determine all his actions. If he does this then it's like saying that he predetermines who will have eternal life or eternal death. God is love and won't do it. Pre-destiny is a false doctrine propagated by Calvin, et. all. does not hold water.
A simple illustration would prove this wrong. A man who can lift 500 kilos, will not choose to Always lift anything that is 500 kilos in weight. That would be foolishness on his part.

2. False. For a time being God allows badness or immorality to exist, but ultimately he will wipe out what is bad. He made the proud Pharaoh as an example. He said: 'for a time being I allowed you to exist to show my power, so that all nations will know that I am Almighty.' Also, God allows badness to happen to good people. Example is Job. Satan challenged that Job is loyal only to God Coz of selfish interest. So, God allowed evil to befall on Job. Ultimately, God removed that evil.
3. False for reasons stated in 1 & 2 above.

Answer 2

My problem with it is that this person is making assumptions about God. The person is assuming that if there is a God then God is a certain way and is something that can be understood with the knowledge we possess. They created their own argument for a "moral" God then tore it apart based on the belief that God is supposedly "moral" in the first place. They are saying that the human understanding of morality is the definition of godly perfection. This argument is pointless since it was created by a human being who claims complete understanding of omniscience which is not possible without actually being omniscient.

Answer 3

Even me, being an Atheist, sees a problem with this argument. It poses a theory not yet proved or explained.

It says:
"ALL of God's action is pre-determined"

Who is to say that? Nobody really knows, do they?

Also:
"If God was not 100% moral, God wouldn't be perfect."

Again, this is based on personal opinion alone. Someone could think, 'Hey, being moral IS being perfect" and therefore would disagree. Someone else could think, 'Sometimes being moral isn't being perfect because of consequences'.

So, there really isn't any validity in the site's argument.

Answer 4

The position you present would be fairly compatible with the theology of a good chunk of reformed (Calvinist) folks, and maybe quite a few others, and most of it is scripturally supportable. The Bible also speaks of God's inability to be tempted. The only way God was able to be tempted was to join his nature with human nature in order to be tempted as humanity is, within time, in the incarnation of Jesus, in order to be able to overcome sin in humanity and bring humans into communion with a perfection that could not entertain the presence of evil or imperfection. God the Father has free will only so far as he has absolute freedom to do what is his will, but yes, his nature and will are perfect and unchanging, so he is not free to deny his nature and stop being himself. The Bible also declares that until we are forgiven by God, we ourselves do not have true free will, but are slaves to our natural impulse, unable to consistantly choose the goodness that we ourselves desire.

Answer 5

God does whatever HE wills.
God is God- and in control. Nobody can say what God can and cannot do. The only thing we know He cannot do is lie or sin. For He is holy, just and perfect.

Psalm 135:6
Whatever the LORD pleases, he does,in heaven and on earth,in the seas and all deeps.

Luke 1:37
For nothing is impossible with God."

-Amen!

Answer 6

sounds very intellectual but this is really weak,there would have to be another being greater than God, to allow Him the use of free will or not, as the case may be.

Answer 7

Oh well...Maybe god is just taking a nap right now. He'll be back with his free will l8er in another 1.4 million years.

Answer 8

I will fart in a jar and take a HUGE whiff. Only then shall the answer become apparent.

Answer 9

not sure if this is what your looking for!
but i see it as this!
How do you even know there is a God?
once you give me proof of that then i'll tell you if he has free will!

Answer 10

There is no such thing as perfectly good