Can the Trinity be rationally and logically explained ?

Question

Some might say that explaining such things is beyond our knowledge ! and therefore we can't understand it ! They only say: We believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost !!! A And all 3=1= God.But I say that God has given me a tool- thinking - to ration and balance things logically.

And rationally and logically 3 is not equal to 1, and that will lead me that christians worship 3 gods not one !!

Somone said that we could explain this belief by giving the example of Water and its three states ( Ice, Liquid, Steam) that they are all water !! But this explaination is not valid ! Why ?

Because we are still left with three states not one, and when they are three with different characteristics, they are still not one !!

I want a rational and logical proof that 3=1 !!!

Answer 1

By saying the trinity, you are saying,"There are 3 distinct persons united in one God." They are not just names of the same God.They can co-exist at the same time and yet they are one. Taking this definition, It is actually not a mystery. The key to unsolving this mystery is understanding "one". The one is not the numerical number one. Below are the 2 definitions of one.

A) Yachead – Absolute unity; the numerical number one
– Abraham offered up his only (Yachead) son (Genesis 22:2,12)
– They shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only (Yachead) son (Zechariah 12:10)

B) Echad – A collective unity; more than one person, one crowd, one nation etc.
–People gathered together as one (Echad) (Ezra 3:1)
–The Lord or God is one (Echad) God (Deuteronomy 6:4)
–In that day, there shall be one (Echad) Lord and His Name one (Echad) (Zechariah 14:9)

For example there is one nation, but in it there is many distinct different persons. So likewise God is one(echad) God.

Example 2: There is one Sun to rule the earth,The sun manifests in threefold power,Light, fire and heat. They can co_exist at the same time.

Now for the sake of study, Christians have seperated the father, the son and the holy spirit, to be able to learn about each individual in a more comprehensive manner.

But the truth is they are always together and they are inseperable.

so all these to say that
a) God is one in operation but 3 in revelation
b) The three are distinguishable but indivisible

Hope this helps

Answer 2

First of all, I'm not sure about the doctrine of the trinity. Jesus called Himself the Son of God while He was on earth, not claiming to be the Father. He said they are one but never claimed to be Him. And even after He died and rose He referred to Himself as the Son (Rev 3:21). However ............. He also implies He was the God of the old testament when he said, "Before Abraham was .......... I am." So I honestly don't know for sure. But the only way I can understand how they are one is by thinking totally spiritual and thinking that the bible says God is love, I presume meaning the Father, and Jesus said, "I am the way the TRUTH and the life.........". So in that line of thinking, I can almost get a glimpse of their oneness because you can't have love without truth. And I can grasp abit better the concept of how they can have no beginning and no end. Was there ever a time when love and truth didn't exist and will there ever be a time that love won't be love and truth won't be truth? No. But as far as them all being the Father ............. I think they are one in some binding way but still separate entities as well.

Answer 3

The atom is itself an unfathomable mystery; how the Trinity can be explained rationally and logically, once and for all!
I challenge any man who can write an essay about the atom, which will be accepted as accurate in a century to come.
As beings with limited knowledge, living in this transitory world, we can only make periodical conventions, which will be continuously amended, to live peacefully with each other from age to age. We can never make an eternal convention. Even the Holy Book of a Prophet of God is also entitled to amendment at the advent of the successive One.

Answer 4

OK here is the best explaination I ever got.

Think of the SUN in the sky. You can see it (GOD), it lights up the world so you can see other things(Jesus) and even if you were Blind you can feel it's warmth ( the Holy Spirit). 3 distinct parts of the same thing.

Unlike the ice thing they can occur all at the same time and do everyday.

Looking for scientific fact in faith is like asking your true love to "prove their love" you can explain away every action they do if you try hard enough and you will be left with little to show for the effort, hence the reason it is called faith, look for the reasons why , not why not.

Answer 5

Good question!

Why would God set up a system of worship that smacks of the other false gods (notice smal 'g') that are mentioned in the Bible?

Their gods (Babylon)

There were triads of gods, and among their divinities were those representing various forces of nature and ones that exercised special influence in certain activities of mankind. (Babylonian and Assyrian Religion, Norman, Okla.; 1963, S. H. Hooke, pp. 14-40) “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato’s] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel (Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

Use of images: “[In Mesopotamian religion] the role of the image was central in the cult as well as in private worship, as the wide distribution of cheap replicas of such images shows. Fundamentally, the deity was considered present in its image if it showed certain specific features and paraphernalia and was cared for in the appropriate manner.”—Ancient Mesopotamia—Portrait of a Dead Civilization (Chicago, 1964), A. L. Oppenheim, p. 184.

Belief regarding death: “Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought [in Babylon] ever faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, p. 556.

Position of the priesthood: “The distinction between priest and layman is characteristic of this [Babylonian] religion.”—Encyclopædia Britannica (1948), Vol. 2, p. 861.

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What About Trinity “Proof Texts”?

IT IS said that some Bible texts offer proof in support of the Trinity. However, when reading such texts, we should keep in mind that the Biblical and historical evidence does not support the Trinity.

Any Bible reference offered as proof must be understood in the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible. Very often the true meaning of such a text is clarified by the context of surrounding verses.

Three in One

THE New Catholic Encyclopedia offers three such “proof texts” but also admits: “The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]. In the N[ew] T[estament] the oldest evidence is in the Pauline epistles, especially 2 Cor 13.13 [verse 14 in some Bibles], and 1 Cor 12.4-6. In the Gospels evidence of the Trinity is found explicitly only in the baptismal formula of Mt 28.19.”

In those verses the three “persons” are listed as follows in The New Jerusalem Bible. Second Corinthians 13:13 (14) puts the three together in this way: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.” First Corinthians 12:4-6 says: “There are many different gifts, but it is always the same Spirit; there are many different ways of serving, but it is always the same Lord. There are many different forms of activity, but in everybody it is the same God who is at work in them all.” And Matthew 28:19 reads: “Go, therefore, make disciples of all nations; baptise them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

Do those verses say that God, Christ, and the holy spirit constitute a Trinitarian Godhead, that the three are equal in substance, power, and eternity? No, they do not, no more than listing three people, such as Tom, Dick, and Harry, means that they are three in one.

This type of reference, admits McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, “proves only that there are the three subjects named, . . . but it does not prove, by itself, that all the three belong necessarily to the divine nature, and possess equal divine honor.”

Although a supporter of the Trinity, that source says of 2 Corinthians 13:13 (14): “We could not justly infer that they possessed equal authority, or the same nature.” And of Matthew 28:18-20 it says: “This text, however, taken by itself, would not prove decisively either the personality of the three subjects mentioned, or their equality or divinity.”

When Jesus was baptized, God, Jesus, and the holy spirit were also mentioned in the same context. Jesus “saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him.” (Matthew 3:16) This, however, does not say that the three are one. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned together numerous times, but that does not make them one. Peter, James, and John are named together, but that does not make them one either. Furthermore, God’s spirit descended upon Jesus at his baptism, showing that Jesus was not anointed by spirit until that time. This being so, how could he be part of a Trinity where he had always been one with the holy spirit?

Another reference that speaks of the three together is found in some older Bible translations at 1 John 5:7. Scholars acknowledge, however, that these words were not originally in the Bible but were added much later. Most modern translations rightly omit this spurious verse.

Answer 6

Peace be on you all.

U are right.... God gave us a brain to think, not to believe things blindly. and there is no way 3 can be equal to 1. it just does not make sense.

Thats why Allah says in the Quran, C-4, V-171. "Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah:"

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him. (Quran, 112:1-4)

Answer 7

You need only look at yourself, you are created in Gods image and are 3 in 1.

You have a mind, a body and a soul, all are different but all form you, without your mind you would not be you, without your soul you would not be you and without your body you would not be you. Which is you? Is each one you? Are all three you?

3 = 1

God Bless

Answer 8

Simple question..simple answer..GOD is the Father..Jesus the son..is the word of GOD sent in the flesh so we could be saved..the HOLY SPIRIT..The word water..in forms like rain..snow stream..means in the Bible..knowledge..Its all symbolic but how you interpret the words of GOD is what is in your heart..if you see evil that is how you perceive GOD ..if you read love in the words of GOD that is how you see GOD

Answer 9

no