"The highest history of the American revolution is this: It connected in ONE INDISSOLUABLE BOND the principles of civil government with the principles of CHRISTIANITY". -- John Adam - 2nd President of the U S.
So why should we believe clueless atheists that are trying to convince us otherwise?
I choose to believe John Adams and reject the atheists who are trying to re-write history to suit their own selfish agenda.
It amazing me the legth to which atheists will go to to try to deceive the American public.
2006-11-26
11:12:59
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Rt66it: You are mistaken ; John Quincy was a Christian...(not Unitarian) ...why else would he make such a statement....learn history ...and accept it rather than trying to re-write it falsely.
2006-11-26
11:21:54 ·
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Parrot: you are 'parroting blatant lies that are not in any government records and you know it....yours is the exact atheist ignorance I was referring to ...you proved my point- Your comment is rejected.
2006-11-26
11:24:52 ·
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Linda: You are sadly misinformed like most who fail to do their research...There is NO governemnt Clause or document stating that there is "separation of church and State" ...this fallacies has been touted for so long by liberal atheists that easily deluded people like yourself ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT! You proved my point precisely...do a little research for yourself before getting dupped again.
2006-11-26
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I agree.
There wouldn't be America if it wasn't for Christains. Even alot of laws are based on Christianity.
We are the oldest demorcary because of that. We should defiently not change it.
2006-11-26 11:16:05
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answered by jay w 2
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The second president was John Adams, John Quincey Adams was The 6th. John Adams views on religion were well known, he wrote: "God is an essence we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world." He also wrote: "As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion, the United States is not a Christian Nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation." Thomas Jefferson, Author of Declaration of Independence and 3rd President of the United States, stated flat out "Christianity neither is nor ever was part of the Common Law." The authors of the Constitution, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison felt so strongly about not making this a Christian Nation that their very first amendment was to prevent Congress from doing that. It's the Christians who are revisionists, like yourself they ignore what the men actually did and wrote. Where, in any existing document, does any of the Founding Fathers make even a reference to such a goal? They wanted freedom from a country that was a Christian Nation, The King was also the Head of the Church. Even if Washington was an avid Christian, so what? This country wasn't founded in a vacuum, his was only one voice.
2016-05-23 06:13:53
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answered by Anonymous
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First of all Gary, what is your source? John Adams as well as his son are well documented as Unitarians. Secondly, Adams opinion is not rule of law and therefore is not proof that the United States was founded as a Christian country. In fact all his statement does is voice his opinion that the principles of these two institutions were in alignment at the time of his statement.
The formers of the constitution specifically did not declare the United States as a religion based state (theocracy) and the Bill of Rights prohibits the state establishment of religion de facto erecting a wall of separation between church and state (check your Thomas Jefferson and Supreme Court Rulings).
While primarily of religious denominations that were or are Christian, the founders of this nation were, like it or not, religious liberals and fought for religious freedom. It would have been fool hardy of them to turn around and deny that freedom to others or in the very least hypocritical.
Your twisting of Adams words to suit your own purposes is highly transparent and your ravings at other as to their "not doing their homework", belies the weaknesses of your own arguments.
Furthermore, I can be relatively certain that the best answer for this question will be awarded by you to the person who best parrots your current beliefs, not the person with the most factual and thoughtful answer.
2006-11-28 10:10:01
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answered by Magic One 6
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"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
-- John Adams
"God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world."
-- John Adams
"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity....
"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."
-- The Reverend Doctor Bird Wilson
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First of all, I'm not even an atheist, chief.
Secondly, you don't like my source, do you? Okay, try Wikipedia then:
"Adams was raised a Congregationalist, becoming a Unitarian at a time when most of the Congregational churches around Boston were turning to Unitarianism. As a youth, Adams' father had urged him to become a minister, but Adams refused, considering the practice of law to be a more noble calling. A detailed analysis of Adams' religion by Everett (1966) argues that Adams was not a deist, but he used deistic terms. He believed in the essential goodness of the creation, but DID NOT BELIEVE IN THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST OR THAT GOD INTERVENED IN THE AFFAIRS OF INDIVIDUALS. Although not anticlerical, he ADVOCATED THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE."
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved — the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
That link I posted below is referred on the Wikipedia article. And here's another source that calls Adams a Unitarian:
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html
Also, just curious, your best defense is to just deny the quotes? Haha, I love it.
Your QUESTION is rejected, Sir.
2006-11-26 11:17:28
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answered by . 7
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Are we going to go back to the times when the blacks were slaves and segregated against because the "white man" thought blacks were inferior and that God made a mistake in making them and because the "white man" was too lazy to get off his *** and pick his own damn cotton? Sure this nation was founded by whites and Christians but we stole this land from the Native Americans (after killing most of them and sending the rest to reservations in the west), and now the USA is discriminating against Muslims. Honestly who cares? Maybe the whites should quit acting superior to other people.
2006-11-26 11:23:13
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answered by baddrose268 5
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I'm not an atheist and John Adams was a Unitarian. You've asked this question before.
Both John Adams were Unitarians. Check the Wikipedia article below:
2006-11-26 11:15:57
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answered by The Doctor 7
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America was founded by people searching for religious freedom. That means tolerance for all. The constitution also has a clause for separation of church and state.
I would say that YOU are taking one quote and using it to serve you own purpose while ignoring the rest of the constitution.
It amazes me the length so called Christians will go to force their private agenda on the rest of the nation.
2006-11-26 11:24:23
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answered by reddemonwi55 3
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We're not trying to deceive anyone. We're trying to pull the holier-than-thou rug out from underneath your feet. You know. The rug you're using as an excuse to discriminate against those who don't subscribe to the doctrines of The Grand Poohbah.
2006-11-26 11:23:35
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answered by Anonymous
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The founding fathers had every opportunity to officially declare the US and christian country. They specifically chose not to do so.
If anyone is clueless, it's obviously yourself.
2006-11-26 11:39:53
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answered by Anonymous
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Who cares? It's becoming less Christian like all the other developed nations. (The oldest democracy was ancient Greece.)
2006-11-26 11:15:55
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answered by Anonymous
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