America was founded as a Christian Nation according to John Quincy Adams?

Question

"The highest history of the American revolution is this: It connected in ONE INDISSOLUABLE BOND the principles of civil government with the principles of CHRISTIANITY". -- John Adam - 2nd President of the U S.

It amazes me the length the atheists will go to try to deceive the American public.

So why should we believe clueless atheists that are trying to convince us otherwise?

I choose to believe John Adams and reject the atheists who are trying to re-write history to suit their own selfish agenda.

By the way, Geo, Washington was also known to be an avid Christian to you who are ignorant ofhis precious writings.

Rich k: Your statement proportedy by John Adam is an outrigght fabrication...and blatant lying about others is exactly what I expect from Atheists and Muslims - thanks for proving my point. You comment is rejected.

Answer 1

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Answer 2

The second president was John Adams, John Quincey Adams was The 6th. John Adams views on religion were well known, he wrote: "God is an essence we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world." He also wrote: "As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion, the United States is not a Christian Nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation." Thomas Jefferson, Author of Declaration of Independence and 3rd President of the United States, stated flat out "Christianity neither is nor ever was part of the Common Law." The authors of the Constitution, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison felt so strongly about not making this a Christian Nation that their very first amendment was to prevent Congress from doing that. It's the Christians who are revisionists, like yourself they ignore what the men actually did and wrote. Where, in any existing document, does any of the Founding Fathers make even a reference to such a goal? They wanted freedom from a country that was a Christian Nation, The King was also the Head of the Church. Even if Washington was an avid Christian, so what? This country wasn't founded in a vacuum, his was only one voice.

Answer 3

Among the founding fathers, some were 'Christian' and some were not, some were religious and some were nominally Christian but did not actually practice any religion. In England, the Anglican Church was the ruling church. Anybody who was not Anglican either faced persecution or just was out of the mainstream. The 'founding fathers' did not want a state or official religion. Sometimes people confuse separation of church and state as meaning no mention of any religion in public life from no official state religion. Other places had the Lutheran Church or the Catholic CHurch as the official state religion. Was the US constitution is some ways based on the Bible or ten commandments or whatever? Possibly. But in 1776 or the 1780's, there were some people (not many of the founders of the country, but some) who had never read much of anything but the Bible. This was true in the case of religous Christians and others. Most people were familiar with the Bible to some extent. The only group other than Christians or at least Gentiles in the Colonies were Jewish people. The Old Testament was also their Bible. A few Muslims, probably slaves from Africa were in what became the US, but they were not allowed by slave owners to practice their faith, for the most part. Was it a theocracy? No, they absolutely did not want that. But was it based in many ways on "Christian" principles? Yes, because nearly everybody in the new country was at least somewhat familiar with "Christianity" and it was part of their life in many cases.

Answer 4

There are two obvious problems with your statement:

1) Your quote states that "principles of the civil government" are bonded with the "principles of Christianity" via the American revolution. Not that the United States was actually founded upon the entire religion of Christianity itself.

2) Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli clearly and indisputably states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion". The first English translation of the Treaty of Tripoli was written by the American diplomat Joel Barlow, who served as a chaplain under George Washington's command. It was signed by George Washington during his last term as president, approved by the U.S. legislators in 1797, endorsed by the (then) Secretary of State Timothy Pickering, signed by John Adams, the father of the very John Quincy Adams that you speak of, during HIS presidency, and officially ratified by the Senate on June 10, 1797.

For the full text of the Treaty of Tripoli, go here: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

According to the Constitution, Article VI, Section 2: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." Therefore, ALL TREATIES, including the Treaty of Tripoli, that have been made official by the United States of America for as long as the United States have existed, represent American law, regardless of whatever contradictions may be held within the rest of the Constitution or other American documents.

To quote http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm, "Although the Treaty of Tripoli under agreement only lasted a few years and no longer has legal status, it clearly represented the feelings of our Founding Fathers at the beginning of the American government."

And for the record, I'm not an atheist.

Answer 5

John Adams was at first a Congregationalist, later turned Unitarian (who reject the divinity of Christ). John Quincy Adams was the sixth president, his father was the second. JQA was Unitarian, too.

George Washington did attend Christian services, but rejected the Eucharist because he didn't believe in it. Much of his writings are Deist, and a Christian prayer book, purported to have been written by Washington, was rejected by the Smithsonian Institution on the grounds it was forged.

Answer 6

So? These very people you are using to force your religion onto people believed in a free country where everybody was equal and people could follow whatever religion, or even not to follow one.

So you are doing a disgrace to our founding fathers by labeling as conservatively ignorant and egocentric as you are right now. Get a life, man. Respect others, and don't diss the atheists. From what I've gathered, they have more clues than you do.

Answer 7

But whose form of Christinaity! You defending the SALEM WITCH TRIALS. You defending putting BLACK PEOPLE in church Balconies.

Who should we praise? Anabapitsts? Calvanists? Presbyterians? Congregationalists? Catholics? Those from the Church of England (Anglicans)?

Remember, currently the disorangized Baptists, which includes some KKK members are the pluraity, but the unified Catholics are the definative majority.

Which of them do you want to stand behind and have in control!

Answer 8

Both John and John Q. Adams, ancestors of mine on my mother's side, were Unitarian. It is a denial of the doctrine of the Trinity as well as the full divinity of Jesus. Therefore, it is not Christian. Nice try though. Washington gives us little in his writings to indicate his personal religious beliefs. As noted by Franklin Steiner in "The Religious Beliefs Of Our Presidents" (1936), Washington commented on sermons only twice. In his writings, he never referred to "Jesus Christ." He attended church rarely, and did not take communion - though Martha did, requiring the family carriage to return back to the church to get her later.

So there. Nyah.