Whether illegals contribute to the economy or not isn't the issue...?

Question

And if they supposedly do jobs that Americans won't do, that isn't the issue either. Illegal immigration is in fact, ILLEGAL.

There are lots of US citizen criminals who contribute to the economy. That doesn't change the fact that they broke the law does it?

So do any pro-illegals have another argument for why its okay for laws to be broken and for that to be rewarded?

If you will note the last part of my question, I asked why should that be rewarded. If I break they law and I am caught, I don't get a prize. Why should illegal immigrants get anything?

Answer 1

amen sister. your right.

Answer 2

I'm all for punishing the criminals, but it would put a huge burden on us to go after the immigrants, when there are 10 more for every one we hunt down.

The REAL problem, and the REAL criminals are those who illegally employ them. If those employers were thrown in jail and heavily fined, there would be no illegal jobs, and they wouldn't be coming over in droves. THAT would solve the problem in a heartbeat, and it would be a much more efficient way to do it.

It's convenient to blame the person who is so desperate they risk life and limb to take what would be, to must of us, a sub-poverty job. Why aren't the "law and order" types eager to punish those who break the law by illegally offering jobs?

Perhaps this whole "wink and a nod" deal has a reason behind it:

1) These employers can make much bigger profits.

2) Other employers benefit because it drives wages of legitimate workers down.

3) The politicians get a convenient boogey-man to scapegoat and to inflame the emotions of those who feel better when righteously outraged.

4) Illegals help to prop up our budget by paying into the Social Security system (via fake SS#s), with no chance of ever getting that back.

5) The average person who complains about them doesn't eschew cheap produce, cheap yardwork, cheap cleaning services, so how much are they willing to give up to solve this problem?

There's a lot of noise and bluster about how the "illegals" are hurting us, but those who profit from them, and those who gain politically by having their "evils" to point at, have no interest in any real change.

Answer 3

Being an illegal immigrant is the dream of many. They want to be part of this country because we rock! Yes, it is against the law to be an illegal immigrant, but in regards to Mexico, they were here first folks! Besides, just because something is illegal doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. Think about it. They aren't being rewarded very well for the work they do here, and they are not protected by our labor laws at all. They will come here regardless of what we do to curb it or stop it. It's no use to even try. I think it should be easier for them to come here, and should take one or two years at the most to become a citizen. It's inevitable so we might as well go with the flow. Yes, it is illegal to be an illegal immigrant, but it also illegal to speed in your car, but everyone does it. It's all about who actually gets away with it.

The real problem for the US is the burden illegal immigrants are placing on our already taxed system, and it is unbelieveable and staggering to look at the numbers. I do have a problem with the fact that the way the laws are written, illegal immigrants can't pay taxes like everyone else does, we won't let them. I'm sure they would if they could in exchange to be a citizen. I think a flat tax on wages should apply to every paycheck issued in this country regardless if you have a social security number or not.

If illegal immigrants really want to live here in the US, they should get as far away from the Mexican border as possible. In California, they come and go easily especially if they work here. I don't know what the answer is, but I know building a wall is the stupidest idea I have ever heard of. We need to use our intelligence to solve this problem, not physical barriers.

We can't just open up our borders to everyone because everyone would come here and we could not handle the sheer influx. But 20 million illegal immigrants can't be wrong, this must be a great country Something makes the USA the best place in the whole world to live. So all you flag burning anti-american americans, make sure you wrap yourself up tightly in old glory the next time you torch her :)
I personally have no problem with the Mexican people, they always treated me with kindness. I grew up in Watts during the sixties, and I remember who helped me when tensions were racially fired up, and it wasn't the african americans, it was the mexicans. We were the only white family in our neighborhood, and my mexican neighbors saved my life many times.

I don't think there is anything wrong with someone who is willing to die for their freedom and a better life here, especially when you compare it to the lazy welfare collecting fully able to work adults that aren't willing to do ANYTHING to better themselves, and you all know who you are.

Answer 4

illegals are here by the thousands because our wonderful corporations and sweat shops and argicultural giants want them to be here. They are not rewarded for being here they are sent back by INS by the thousands but until you wish to go into a field and pick the strawberrys that you love to buy real cheap and are willing to work for 3 dollars an hour and get ripped off every pay check because you can't complain they will be here. We started this insanity about cheap labor with black people imported for just that purpose when that had to cease we tired chinese and when that was over we decided to "leak" our borders with tons of help from corrupt officials and organized crimes so that anyone could get in and then we could put them to work on the cheap so that everything they work on will be cheaper for us to have and use. Until the US owns up to the fact that we live off the slave labor of every other country in the world out problems with illegals will continue and it will be entirely our fault because we not only let it happen by not punishing those who hired them but we suck up all the cheap products that they make for us... we can not have it both ways

Answer 5

It is not a question of being OK or not OK, it simply is. There is a vast labor pool south of the border that is in demand on this side of the border. It's like trying to keep Romeo from Juliet. Economic laws are going to have more say than immigration laws.
There are speeding laws, too, that I usually break on a daily basis. So I commit a crime just like a lot of people.

Answer 6

America will need 2 million immigrants more in the next 5 years.
Vigorous economy plus very few babies equals need for immigrants...
Why is it illegal?
because big companies profit from low wages and no benefits for those workers.
That is why as soon as they get here they have a job.
Have you heard of unemployed immigrants?

Answer 7

Agreed. Just because a citizen breaks the law doesn't mean that since they actually contribute they don't get punished, so why should someone who doesn't contribute and breaks the law not have to deal with the consequences. And not only not have to deal with the consequences, but get housing, medical, food stamps, etc etc etc.

Answer 8

I agree.
Every company & every individual who employs or houses illegals should be subject to huge fines & yes, prison time.
Starting with the largest companies in the US, I would start legal actions to imprison the CEO's & CFO's who purposefully hire illegal aliens & eventually work my way down to individual citizens who knowingly hire illegal aliens.

Answer 9

Remember what the Nazi's did to the Jewish people was legal, When Sadam Husein killed thousand of people that was legal,
Segregation was legal,
Discrimination was legail,
aparteid was legal,
genocide of females in China is legal,
so where do you want to stop.....
The fact is that if something is legal does not make it right.
About 80 years ago females could not vote and that was legal,
In some countries marring a non virgin still illegal and those who do they can be killed.
in some muslim countries becoming a christian is illegal and they can be killed.
The main thing whether you like it or not, everyone regarless of color, race, nationality, sex and political affilitation has the natural right to pursue their happiness, whether here or there. You can move to china if that makes you happier and not one should deny you of that liberty, but I guess you want to deny it to someone else.

Answer 10

really when was the last time you got rewarded for breaking the law.that is what all the ILLEGALS want.

Answer 11

I agree, they are ILLIEGAL. And it isn't fair for those who have to pay hundreds and wait years to become legal.

I am however sympathetic for them. They most likely are coming from a country whose economy is beat to sh*t. And they are seeking economic opportunities to support their families. However, in the end, they are illiegal. And I dont have the money to pay to keep them in jail, and pay for their children to attend public school, and etc.