why do some christians think that lucifer is satan?

Question

people Lucifer was a man a Babylonian king not angel.

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Isa 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

it is clear that Isiah is talking about the fall of the Babylonian empire to the Persians. and it has been said that when nebakanezer took Israel he bragged to them that he would sit on their gods throne. i don't know where this came from that it was talking about Satan but it is clear that this is a man any one that would like to debate this with me is free to email me

Answer 1

And you are right!

The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.

Who is this Lucifer? The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.

Answer 2

You make a valid point.
It is not about Satan.
However, in a very general way ....such words could also be applied to Satan.
The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer, is found in what Isaiah commanded against the king of Babylon.
Thus, it is directed at the Babylonian dynasty.
That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement:
“Down to Sheol you will be brought.”
Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan.
Moreover, those seeing Lucifer ask:
“Is this the man that was agitating the earth?”
Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.
Babylonian rulers reflected the attitude of “the god of this system of things”
Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
He too lusts for power and longs to place himself above God.
But Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan.

Answer 3

Lucifer was an angel that got kicked out of heaven and became the devil.

How does the Isa 14:4 quote prove anything? It doesnt say Lucifer anywhere in it.

The 14:12 quote is where its telling how he was banished from heaven b/c he thought he could be just as great as God.
"fallen from heaven" implies that he was once there, as an angel, and is not any longer.

Your argument isnt making sense, these verses don't support what you are saying.

Answer 4

Isaiah 14:12-- "O how you have fallen from heaven, you shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, you who were disabling the nations!

Shining one & Lucifer are the same. Lucifer was a very beautiful angel who wanted God's glory, he wanted to be like God. He turned against God & got other angels to follow him. Lucifer(Satan)and his angels were thrown out of heaven onto the earth.
They were thrown out of heaven in the year 1914. That was when things got very bad for the earth. 1914 was the year that World War 1 started. And things have continued to get worse year after year.

Answer 5

We all know that Lucifer fell from Heaven he was an angel in authority and let pride get to him, but was cast out with one third of the spirits of heaven that followed him and became Satan, the Father of lies, see Luke 10 v 18 And he Jesus said unto them I beheld Satan as Lightening fall from Heaven.

Lucifer and Satan is the only personage in the Bible spoken of as having fallen from Heaven

Answer 6

You're right. The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible. The scripture that you refferd to was saying that the pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of Satan the Devil but was not actually saying it was him.

Answer 7

Lucifer was the king of Bablyon, just as he is the king of this world. He is the father of lies, the great deciever, and Satan. Your logic is erroneous. Lucifer was a spirit who wanted to ascend above God, he in essence wanted to dethrone God, but wanted to do so by taking away the agency of man.

Satan/Lucifer ruled Bablyon, because he had power over the hearts of all (or nearly all) of it's citizens. It is because of this they fell.

Answer 8

There are quite a few places in the Bible where there is a message in a message. The most frequent ones have to do with King David and the Christ Who was to come. They are real messages in both meanings. One about David and the other a prophecy which we see fulfilled and ascribed to Jesus in the New Testament.

Thus, in this passage, the messages are considered to be about the king of Babylon AND the devil.
The devil is given a number of names; the serpent, demon, prince of this world, father of lies, the accuser, etc.
"Lucifer" is considered one of those names because of wha the New Testament says of him. ("Lucifer" means "the light bearer").
Here are some of the passages because of which Lucifer is considered the devil:

Rev 12:10-13:1

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. 11 They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. 12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring-those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

(from New International Version)

2 Cor 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
NKJV

Answer 9

Lucifer was a Cherub that served GOD at His Throne! He rebelled and sought to OVERTHROW his own Creator! His name,"Lightbringer" was changed to Satan--"Destroyer"-for that is what he became! He is the original SINNER and will soon be REMOVED from his position of power forever...You can read of this in Revelations...Of course,he is furious when anyone exposes his nature,and tries to confuse us with silly clever arguments that he was not Lucifer or a thousand other excuses why we humans shouldn't take him too seriously...Clever-----and very deadly for us to fall for. He is going to fall--he and his demons who turned traitor from their loving Creator. Don't underestimate this cunning monster. No need to fear him--but NEVER take for granted his power to decieve you--MANKIND is here to qualify to REPLACE him over this Earth! Little wonder then that he hates us so much. WE who are to inherit The GOD Family!

Answer 10

Lucifer means bearer of light and indeed was that fallen Angel of the Bible and Jesus also called him satan, the father of lies.
the same rebuke can be adressed to someone who is his adopted son as was this king of Babylon.