Why have Liberals suddenly been associated with "Communists" or "America Haters?"?

Question

I really don't understand why Liberals have been put into these categories? Because, frankly, I believe that Liberals are more moral in their actions dealing with civil rights, environmentalism, and foreign relations. Please woo me with some phony responses conservative thinkers!

Oh, yah I'm sorry that we were hijacked by Commies into 70s....but we weren't dumbass. If anybody was ******* insane it was McCarthy and the "Red Scare". This has NOTHING to do with modern politics.

First of all, you're wildly wrong that Republicans signed civil rights bills, because it was JFK's idea that had to be postponed because he was assassinated. Thus, LBJ (his successor) placed the bill into legislation.

And Clinton's foreign affairs were more out of necessity than the situations that we are in now. He strove for moral rights that were being violated. What moral rights were being violated in Afghanistan when we drove our heads into war there? And the amount of Iraqis and Afghanis that have been innocently murdered has FAR outnumbered any of Clinton's attacks. Not to mention the amount of American lives (over 2000 already) that have died in this war.

HAHA, and to think we want "a society based more on France's"! Are you serious?! First off, nobody likes France or their way of conducting their government. (I actually do like France, but not always their governing tactics). We don't want to "be" any other nation, just improve the current problems.

DocWilson: While I will admit that environmentalism does influence the economy greatly (more than most people know), it is NOT the reason for high gas prices! The extra money associated with keeping cleaner emission standards in states like California does little to effect the price of gasoline. The price of gasoline flexes with the hands of big-profiting oil companies.

Yes, I may have a predisposition to my ideas, but is that bad? I do have opinions, but if I find that mine aren't correct because somebody has showed me their side of the issue, I will change them. However, I am not convinced that Conservatives (nor Liberals) are correct in their ideals and motivation.

Thank you for proving my point icaruscatfish! Even though you are a deeply rooted conservative, you still see both sides of the issue and acknowledge the fact that even your own party is (and has made) making some mistakes! Moderates are amazing, and there aren't enough of them.

To the last comment: You say, "the conservative believes gov't should stay out of our lives." Yes, this is typically seen to be correct. But do you call the Patriot Act a way that the government is staying out of our lives? I think that's pretty downright invasive, dontcha think?

WOW, i must say that this topic has created much controversy, thanks to my biased opinion at the closing statement.

Just so you guys know, I did this as a project for my poli-sci class at USC, studying how people are influenced by bias (usually in polls). But thank you for you time! (and PS, im liberal. but not AS liberal as I came off).

THANKS AGAIN

Answer 1

It's always easier to associate someone that you disagree with, using some derogatory term rather than have an intellectual discussion.

It doesn't matter which side your on or what the issue is.

Answer 2

For the same reason Conservatives are all painted as racists, war mongers and fascists. It's just politics as usual. It's also an old ploy. Rather than deal with the opposition in the realm of ideas, just discredit them with slurs and epithets. I disagree with your position about liberals being more moral. I think there are moral people on both sides of the issue, but I also believe that both sides have a fair amount of people who are driven purely by agenda and ideology. The statement "Please woo me with some phony responses conservative thinkers!" is a good example. It shows that you are predisposed to ignore responses from the opposition, no matter how factual or well thought out.

Good or bad doesn't really matter. The point is, by your own statements you don't believe the other side has any good ideas. You dismissed them out of hand with a statement calling them phony before they were even presented. I really don't care if you are the most diehard liberal who ever lived, but don't act like you are looking for answers or honest debate when your own words show that to be far from the truth of the matter. If it is not truth then you should not demean the otherside before any positions are even presented.

Answer 3

There is nothing new about the connection between liberals and communism. The very beginning of that lies with Woodrow Wilson. Made more famous by FDR and his "Uncle Joe" diplomacy with Stalin, not to mention his creation of the welfare state. Wilson brought us into the leauge of nations-the 1st international orginazation designed to weaken the US. While Truman signed us on to the UN. The 2nd reincarnation.
Forget no LBJ's laughable "great society" programs, along with the war on poverty. PURE socialist foundation to those ideas.
Social security, welfare, political correctness, centralized federal gov't, the destruction of individuality, graduated income tax, are the hallmarks of both the commie and the American liberal. The insane idea that government is ANY sort of vehicle to solve economic and social problems applies to both. I live in Mass, and there is very little to differentiate the liberal and the commie. I think the commie is more honest than the liberal, frankly.
The conservative believes gov't should stay out of our lives, as indicated in the US constitution. The conservative respects and reveres the constitution, while the liberal views it as a stumbling block for his dippy utopian pipe dream.
That's more of an answer than you deserve, given you blathered your bias all over your slanted question. That's as much of a "phony response" I'm in the mood to "woo" you with.
Have a nice day comrade. Some animals are more equal than others.

EDIT-TO THE ASKER...I agree with your point on the patriot act. The caveat there is that I don't consider Bush, or the Republican party on the whole to be remotely conservative. Furthermore, it's not like the Patriot act(Can you think of a more Orwellian name for it?) got a hell of a lot of reisitance from the Democrat party now, did it? The patroit act, at least in part, contradicts the 4th amendment, and as such should be nullified by the states.

Answer 4

I don't think it is a 'sudden' thing. The liberal side of politics was very strong during and immediately after the Vietnam War. During this period the liberal movement became somewhat fragmented, adopting many somewhat disjointed philosophies such as feminism , environmentalism, socialism and supporting many varied and sometimes competing minority groups. The liberals developed a strong voice in universities and colleges and many sections of the media. As the US recovered from the trauma of Vietnam many people began to feel disillusioned with liberals and their domination of intellectual life. This became much more strident when the policies of the Reagan government brought a beneficial economic change to the US. The collapse of the Soviet Union was further proof to many people that socialism and collectivism was a failure. A hard core group of liberals, many holding high office in the Democratic party, refused to accept that the world view had changed and persisted with 70s rhetoric. It wil be interesting to see whether Americans disillusionment with the Iraq war will see a return to the type of liberal thinking that was extant in the 1970s. As a confirmed conservative I am predicting (and hoping) it will not. If the Dems want to regain and retain power, they will have to appeal to all Americans, not a few special interest groups. They will also have to demonstrate economic responsibility (not that the Republicans have done much of that).

Answer 5

The reason Liberals have been associated with Communists is because both philosophies are rooted in the ideas of Karl Marx. While they advocate different means, (liberals want Socialism installed by democratic elections, whereas Communists want violent revolution). However both groups favor extensive governmental control over a national economy. I don't agree with any of your statements. Liberals for the most part don't understand that environmentalism is an economically detrimental philosophy that is largely responsible for high gas prices. They have consistently opposed building new refineries and more domestic drilling for new oil sources since 1975. Environmentalism is also responsible for high housing prices, due to opposing construction of new housing projects. As far as foreign relations go, I fail to see how anyone can claim the moral high ground when they lionize tyrants like Fidel Castro and Robert Mugabe, while condemning Auguste Pinochet, whose human rights violations were far less extensive than either Castro or Mugabe, both of whom turned their previously prosperous nations into economic basket cases. Pinochet's record in Chile was just the opposite, turning Salvador Allende's economic disaster into a prosperous economy.

Answer 6

You may buy the rhetoric but perhaps if you went back and studied some of the history of the 60's you would find just the opposite..Then add to that, the actual enslavement by the welfare program, which took the incentive away from people to elevate themselves. The evidence from recent times reveals what can be done when people are given the hope and aspirations, of reaching a higher social level. Look at some of the facts and forget the rhetoric.

Answer 7

Moral in their actions, Like protecting NAMBLA, trying to remove religion from society, which is where those moral standards come from, Redistribution of wealth, a purely socialist idea, Republicans signed civil rights laws into our society, while a Democratic Governor used the state police to keep blacks out of public schools. What foreign relations do you speak of? Appeasement policies? Try hard to remember that while Clinton was president we bombed the Crap out of Bosnia and their cities killing thousands, suffered 4 separate terrorist attacks by Al-Qaida and the French and the UN sucked Millions of dollars of aid money from the middle east, allowing thousands to go without food and medical supplies. America as based on Majority rule christian society. Liberals want to go to a society based more on Frances. And if you ever take the time to notice, France's economy is in a shambles, Immigrants are rioting in the streets, and their police have powers that make our laws and police look like Disney characters.

Answer 8

Because the Right accuse others of doing exactly what they always do. Those who name call accuse other of doing so, as do the child molester (Catholic leaders, Foley), the marraige cheats (long list, right Newt), and the dead intern folks (Scarborough).
They are only trying to get the voters who do not pay attention to what is happening to pop their heads up and vote against the "godless commies" even though Communism went away in 1988.
Besides who hates America more those love it enough to critisize it or those who treat the Constitution like toilet paper?

Answer 9

liberals being the America haters that they are is not a sudden thing...civil rights for liberals only comes along near voting time..foreign relations for liberals means bowing to the whims of the socialistic EU and bowing to the whims of mecca....whatever answer is contrary to yours will not be posted to woo you...but rather to inform you...but like most liberals you are too single minded and too close minded to consider any thought other than your deluded agenda.

Answer 10

The democratic party was hi-jacked by the communist party in the seventies, that's why the JFK DEMS became what you guys affectionately call, the "neo-cons":)